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Jan 23, 2012 08:34:47   #
areej Loc: Atlanta,Ga
 
I tried it for free for 30 days but still with Pse I
can do a lot more and I am used to it now, Speaking of iphoto how can you edit RAW on it and what do you do for saving the photos? Do u keep them in RAW or save them as a jpg ? I tried it last night for the first time on iphoto (as Raw) and iphoto kept on warning me that I am editing raw.

I usually save them on elements as pse and jpg for printing and I print most of my photos for my clients.
BigBear wrote:
I use Aperture that works seamlessly with iPhoto if I wish to send them over for a slideshow. I can't see yet why Elements is being an issue to you. When you put files into Elements do they go directly there from your camera?

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Jan 23, 2012 09:56:11   #
boncrayon
 
RAM is one issue but computers use "scratch disk" to process what the RAM cannot process...that is it streams to the hard disk and feeds back through the resident memory as it loads into the document. You either have too much running in the background (multiple file download, or other unnecessary programs) for which you can go to your task bar and close, or your hard drive has limited space. Or you may need to "defrag" your hard drive to retrieve maximum hard drive space.

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Jan 23, 2012 11:02:19   #
prestonphoto Loc: Bath, NY
 
Suggestion - have you defragmented your computer and cleaned the disk? You may have too many files and folders scattered and doing these puts the files and folders back together. This basically does 2 things - 1 reorganizes everything in the computer and increases computer speed as the computer can find things more easily. Plus try to limit your background stuff - like have a dozen windows open at the same time.

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Jan 23, 2012 11:17:38   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
boncrayon wrote:
RAM is one issue but computers use "scratch disk" to process what the RAM cannot process...that is it streams to the hard disk and feeds back through the resident memory as it loads into the document. You either have too much running in the background (multiple file download, or other unnecessary programs) for which you can go to your task bar and close, or your hard drive has limited space. Or you may need to "defrag" your hard drive to retrieve maximum hard drive space.


Bon,
She has a Mac.

George

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Jan 23, 2012 11:18:06   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
prestonphoto wrote:
Suggestion - have you defragmented your computer and cleaned the disk? You may have too many files and folders scattered and doing these puts the files and folders back together. This basically does 2 things - 1 reorganizes everything in the computer and increases computer speed as the computer can find things more easily. Plus try to limit your background stuff - like have a dozen windows open at the same time.


Preston,
She has a Mac.

George

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Jan 23, 2012 15:07:39   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
areej wrote:
Ohhh....Thanks may be that is the problem because I have like 12 photos were opned at that time but I thougt I have a clean new empty computer I could open as many as I want and I am really new to raw and afraid to use it .
Thanks again
Tea8 wrote:
Are you opening more than one raw file at once to work on? When it says there is not enough RAM memory it means that there are too many things open on the computer at once and therefore it doesn't have enough to continue working on or saving anything. You have to be careful how many raw pictures you are opening at once because they can use up that space quickly.
Ohhh....Thanks may be that is the problem because ... (show quote)


You are misunderstanding hard drives and RAM memory. This happens a lot so you're not alone.

RAM memory is memory chips that you put the Windows operating system, your editing software, and your photos you are working on into. There are also a lot of little software "applets" or mini-programs hiding in the background running in the RAM memory too.

If you unplug your computer from the wall, the memory chips are "de-powered" and all of the software and photos vanish and have to be re-loaded into that temporary memory when you turn the power back on. RAM memory is NOT permanent memory, nor permanent storage. It is just an electronic "workplace" for all of your various files to go into temporarily while you are working on your computer.

Unfortunately, if you have let's say 4GB of RAM, Windows itself will start first and take as much memory as it wants. All those other little mini-programs take whatever they want next. Your editing software takes as much as it wants when you double-click it to open. So effectively most of your 4GB of temporary memory is already used before you even open a photograph file.

Now, let's talk about hard disk storage for a moment. Some people call it memory but it's not. It is an actual disk plate with a material on it that will store (retain) digital information in the form of ones and zeros when a "read/write head" puts it on there, kind of like recording a TV show on a VCR or whatever. When your information or photo file is saved there, and power goes off because you unplug the computer, the file is still on the hard drive waiting for the "read/write" head to come back later when there is power for it to move around and "read" or retrieve the file when you request it.

The file is then put into temporary RAM memory for you to see it or work on it. The hard drive is a form of "permanent" storage that does not depend on power being on to retain the information. When you got your computer new, this hard drive had your Windows operating system, some software packages, and some other stuff on it and, as you said, it was a new clean storage device ready for you to put lots and lots and lots of picture files on it. The temporary RAM memory becomes new and clean every time you turn off your computer and then is reloaded with stuff the next time you turn it on.

The message you got was about insufficient RAM temporary memory. As I said earlier, most of your RAM memory was used already by Windows, your software, and other hidden programs. If you have 12 RAW photos open, that's a seriously HUGE amount of RAM being used by all of those as well. You're probably down to almost zero RAM available. When you try to convert a RAW file to a JPG file it needs room in RAM to process the file and do a compression routine, etc. So your 12 RAW photo files are too much.

Personally, I almost never open more than one photo at a time before saving it to the hard drive. Sometimes I might compare two or three JPGs because they're much smaller than RAW files but I never work on three photos at the same time, just look at them. You never know when the town drunk a couple miles away is going to ram his pickup truck into a power pole and cause power outage for miles around. Anything you're working on in temporary RAM memory at that moment is GONE FOREVER - except the file that is on your hard drive which is unaffected by power outage.

Even that one could be ruined too because your computer was in the midst of saving (writing) the file to hard drive when the power outage happened. That's one reason we save the original file from the camera and never save edited versions under the same name. At least you still have a chance that the original is still on the hard drive while your edited version might be ruined. It's also the reason you want to back up to CD, DVD, USB travel disk, or another hard drive. If the original file is destroyed because your hard drive was destroyed, there are other copies elsewhere.

This explanation is far too long for this forum. If you still don't understand or want more explanation, Private Message me and I'll work with you. I used to teach this in adult education so I am willing to help you out.

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Jan 23, 2012 15:40:44   #
prestonphoto Loc: Bath, NY
 
Sorry - missed the mac part

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Jan 23, 2012 18:26:17   #
hustlerb58 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
I've used MACs from day one, I have 4 MACs here at home and made my living with photoshop. You may not have the full version of photoshop but in all versions you can manage the memory photoshop is using by going to the PS preference panel, (see attached) I've created photoshop files as high as 1.4 gig. You do have to limit the number of applications you have open at one time. I've never had your problem. I also use "Toast Titanium" software to back up all my art to DVDs which will hold about 4.4 gig of images/documents. Hope that helps. Tom Murray, Fort Worth, Texas

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Jan 23, 2012 18:36:05   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
areej wrote:
I tried it for free for 30 days but still with Pse I
can do a lot more and I am used to it now, Speaking of iphoto how can you edit RAW on it and what do you do for saving the photos? Do u keep them in RAW or save them as a jpg ? I tried it last night for the first time on iphoto (as Raw) and iphoto kept on warning me that I am editing raw.

I usually save them on elements as pse and jpg for printing and I print most of my photos for my clients.
BigBear wrote:
I use Aperture that works seamlessly with iPhoto if I wish to send them over for a slideshow. I can't see yet why Elements is being an issue to you. When you put files into Elements do they go directly there from your camera?
I tried it for free for 30 days but still with Pse... (show quote)


In any of these programs the actual RAW file is stored in a master directory. What you are actually seeing and changing is a JPEG version of the file unless you change the properties to another type such as TIFF. iPhoto has limited editing capabilities but is great at managing them. Aperture gives much more editing features and has good management and Faces works with it.

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Jan 24, 2012 10:52:51   #
billj316 Loc: Bedford, VA
 
when saving or using raw in your camera the files are large. I use a iMac and have used Apple computers since 86 or 87. I don't understand your problem or why you would be working on three or four picts at a time. I have Adobe CS5 and only use it for post processing. I D/L my picts from the SD cards using a card reader. I usually use iPhoto or image capture depending on what I am doing. iPhoto, can be accessed by any program you are using on the Mac. They are easy to locate as they are in the Photo library. You can also have multiple libraries if you wish. You didn't say which Mac you are using. Is it a laptop or a desktop?

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