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Jan 27, 2014 11:08:09   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Well, I guess that explains it as I have manipulated my images going back to the darkroom days (don't miss the stinky chemicals though) & continue to this day in LR...
amehta wrote:
I think people who are very comfortable doing post processing often do not realize how much some of us don't want to do post processing, we just want to take the jpegs and run. :-)

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Jan 27, 2014 11:11:18   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
amehta wrote:
I completely agree with your thinking.

The embedded image is much lower jpeg quality than the jpeg-fine, the files are about 1/6 the size. You can use jpeg-fine for most things. A novice post processor like us can't just "get in post," it will be a little different, sometimes better, sometimes worse. The exception, I believe, is using Nikon's pp software which can read the camera settings and apply them the same way the camera did. But I don't get the same pictures using Lightroom, FastStone Image Viewer, or DxO Optics Pro, and I've tried.

I've now added another step to my workflow which seems like complete overkill. I have the nef and jpeg-fine files, but I still extract the embedded jpegs using Instant JPEG from Raw. It adds about 4% to the total disk space, so I'll never notice that. But it is much faster viewing the jpeg-ijfr than the jpeg-fine, especially when I look at 100% magnification. If I have a few shots which are very similar, I need to go to 100% to decide which to pick. I don't need to archive these, they'll still be in the nef files and can be extracted any time, but they are useful in the sorting/culling process. If I take 500-1000 pictures in a day, culling is the biggest problem I have, so anything to help me get that done is a good thing. :-)
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I had read that about the Nikon PP software and I immediately, unfortunately, got my hackles up over the proprietory efforts. My plans are to stay with Nikon, but I may get additional cameras. I don't know if Nikon is an excellent tool for the other formats. Another reason why I'm procrastinating on getting into PP and some viable work-flow process, too much to learn and consider. For now, I want to learn my camera, develope some habits and save my efforts in RAW. :) (MY wife occasionally alludes to my bad habits, but I suspect it has nothing to do with my photography efforts.)

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Jan 27, 2014 11:21:09   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Well, I guess that explains it as I have manipulated my images going back to the darkroom days (don't miss the stinky chemicals though) & continue to this day in LR...

It's a difference in style and preference, I didn't like doing darkroom processing, I don't like doing digital processing. I'm glad you and others enjoy it, that means if I have a great shot that needs a little technical help, I can find people who are much better than me to do it. :-)

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Jan 27, 2014 11:24:47   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
DaveO wrote:
I had read that about the Nikon PP software and I immediately, unfortunately, got my hackles up over the proprietory efforts. My plans are to stay with Nikon, but I may get additional cameras. I don't know if Nikon is an excellent tool for the other formats. Another reason why I'm procrastinating on getting into PP and some viable work-flow process, too much to learn and consider. For now, I want to learn my camera, develope some habits and save my efforts in RAW. :) (MY wife occasionally alludes to my bad habits, but I suspect it has nothing to do with my photography efforts.)
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The proprietary part doesn't bother me too much, almost all companies do it in one way or the other. The camera does specific things with the raw sensor data to produce the jpeg. What is done is not a secret, just how it's done. So Lightroom will do it a little differently than CaptureNX2. Maybe some day they'll be more open, but for now, Nikon and Canon are both keeping it a secret.

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Jan 27, 2014 11:31:05   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
amehta wrote:
I think people who are very comfortable doing post processing often do not realize how much some of us don't want to do post processing, we just want to take the jpegs and run. :-)


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Jan 27, 2014 11:34:40   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
amehta wrote:
The proprietary part doesn't bother me too much, almost all companies do it in one way or the other. The camera does specific things with the raw sensor data to produce the jpeg. What is done is not a secret, just how it's done. So Lightroom will do it a little differently than CaptureNX2. Maybe some day they'll be more open, but for now, Nikon and Canon are both keeping it a secret.


I think part of my consideration will probably include ease of use if the end result is close. That's most likely a ridiculous statement when we effort this, buy that, overkill this....all in the name of getting a better image and then cheating on the final step! Forget I said that!! :roll: :roll:

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Jan 27, 2014 11:43:30   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
DaveO wrote:
I think part of my consideration will probably include ease of use if the end result is close. That's most likely a ridiculous statement when we effort this, buy that, overkill this....all in the name of getting a better image and then cheating on the final step! Forget I said that!! :roll: :roll:

I don't think it's such a bad statement. We pay a lot for the camera, and part of that includes the post processing engine. And that has an advantage over LR: it is looking at the scene also. It also has an advantage over me a year later, since I may not remember the scene exactly.

In the end, though, I don't want to micromanage every pixel. Even the post processing I'm doing now is macromanaging: shifting the overall exposure, or the highlight/shadow sliders, and sometimes the white balance. But I haven't created a layer or mask in my life. :-)

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Jan 27, 2014 11:49:27   #
fjrwillie Loc: MA
 
amehta wrote:
I don't think it's such a bad statement. We pay a lot for the camera, and part of that includes the post processing engine. And that has an advantage over LR: it is looking at the scene also. It also has an advantage over me a year later, since I may not remember the scene exactly.

In the end, though, I don't want to micromanage every pixel. Even the post processing I'm doing now is macromanaging: shifting the overall exposure, or the highlight/shadow sliders, and sometimes the white balance. But I haven't created a layer or mask in my life. :-)
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Interesting. I have not take a picture yet with my Nikon that does not need a bit of tweaking in PP just to make it pop. I don't PP every picture, but the ones I use in my blog or especially like there is something that needs to be done.

If I had known better in my P&S days I would have PP most of them as well. To me they are flat coming out of the camera.

I am really looking forward to more discussion on this. Should we be putting this in its own thread ??

Willie

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Jan 27, 2014 12:01:00   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Interesting thing about the memory cards that everyone but me probably knew: My jpeg's are on slot 2, and the Raw on slot 1 and when using 8gb cards I can store a couple hundred shots before changing cards. I put a 16gb in slot one, left the 8gb in slot 2 and my counter jumped from 223 to 449. Normally I wouldn't care, but conceivably I could eliminate using more than a pair of cards in a day.

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Jan 27, 2014 12:02:50   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Interesting. I have not take a picture yet with my Nikon that does not need a bit of tweaking in PP just to make it pop. I don't PP every picture, but the ones I use in my blog or especially like there is something that needs to be done.

If I had known better in my P&S days I would have PP most of them as well. To me they are flat coming out of the camera.

I am really looking forward to more discussion on this. Should we be putting this in its own thread ??

Willie


Probably get some great input with an appropriate title. I'll watch!

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Jan 27, 2014 23:51:31   #
DBPhotos Loc: Out There Somewhere
 
I shoot with the same settings but I would suggest you get a seperate card for RAW with about twice the capacity. Also, get class 10 cards with at least 45mbs. If you don't mind looking, you can find 90mbs cards. Have fun.
DaveO wrote:
With my limited experience and Hogg sitings, I'm skipping the JPEG vs Raw thoughts and decided to do both. Future technology could make the RAW valuable to me. Comments on my possible selections:
Image Quality: Fine
Image Size: Large
JPEG Compression: Optimal Quality
NEF (RAW) recording: Type--Lossless Compressed
NEF (RAW) bit depth--14-bit

Again this is for a D7000 and the use will be for a 2 week photo excursion to Yellowstone that c
ould produce images to be 12X16, 16X20 and a possible 24X36.

My justification for my choices is not based on anything other than limited research and thoughts. Looking for possible viable alternatives.
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Jan 28, 2014 12:14:00   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
DBPhotos wrote:
I shoot with the same settings but I would suggest you get a seperate card for RAW with about twice the capacity. Also, get class 10 cards with at least 45mbs. If you don't mind looking, you can find 90mbs cards. Have fun.


Thank-you for your thoughts. I'm using Sandisk Extreme Pro's, a 16gb in slot 1 for Raw and an 8gb in slot 2 for Jpeg. Should do the trick and allow for a pair that will last even a great day.

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