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Viltrox 4/3 adaptor issue revisited
Jan 19, 2014 18:35:56   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Original problem was that the adaptor fit onto my Olympus OMD E M-1 camera just fine. Unfortunately the adaptor, which is supposed to be the equivalent of an MMF-3, 4/3 adaptor will not take my 4/3 Zuiko lens....it jambs every time I try to attach it.

Communications with Viltrox has been disappointing. Comment made by person at Viltrox.....guess it doesn't fit your Zuiko 4/3 35mm lens.

Say what???!! I guess it doesn't matter that it is apparently defective, the customer has to pay the cost of shipping it back which is hardly worth the expense. Amazing!!

If anyone has one of these that actually works, please tell me if yours looks like this.



Is the layer under the ring out of adjustment or does it normally look that way?
Is the layer under the ring out of adjustment or d...

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Jan 19, 2014 22:56:07   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
I have the Olympus MMF-3 adapter, and looking at the first picture, the sides on mine are a bit straighter, not as slanted as the sides on yours.
When it comes to the inside though, it looks identical, screws in just about the same spots, same 9 pins, same little "staircase" from the pins down.
However, and I don't know if this is important or not, the first pin on the right in your photo is positioned to the left of the end of the flange. In mine that first pin is positioned to the right of the end of the flange.

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Jan 20, 2014 09:35:44   #
alfeng Loc: Out where the West commences ...
 
mossgate wrote:
Original problem was that the adaptor fit onto my Olympus OMD E M-1 camera just fine. Unfortunately the adaptor, which is supposed to be the equivalent of an MMF-3, 4/3 adaptor will not take my 4/3 Zuiko lens....it jambs every time I try to attach it.

Communications with Viltrox has been disappointing. Comment made by person at Viltrox.....guess it doesn't fit your Zuiko 4/3 35mm lens.


FWIW / FYI. I have BOTH a 4/3 and a m4/3 camera body + 35mm Zuiko lenses ...

What YOU bought is an adapter to fit a 4/3 lens (hence, the 9-pin connector) to an m4/3 body and not a more plebeian 35mm OM Zuiko to m4/3 body adapter.

OR, am I completely misunderstanding what you are trying to accomplish?

Because, if you want to use a 35mm (?) Zuiko lens on your m4/3 camera body then you need to buy one of the DUMB (hollow tube) adapters (~$12+ on eBay).

BTW. The 4/3 mount and the 35mm Zuiko OM mount are almost the same ... regardless, it is surprising that you were able to even come close to mounting a 35mm Zuiko lens on the Viltrox adapter without damaging the pins.

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Jan 20, 2014 10:04:06   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
alfeng wrote:
FWIW / FYI. I have BOTH a 4/3 and a m4/3 camera body + 35mm Zuiko lenses ...

What YOU bought is an adapter to fit a 4/3 lens (hence, the 9-pin connector) to an m4/3 body and not a more plebeian 35mm OM Zuiko to m4/3 body adapter.

OR, am I completely misunderstanding what you are trying to accomplish?

Because, if you want to use a 35mm (?) Zuiko lens on your m4/3 camera body then you need to buy one of the DUMB (hollow tube) adapters (~$12+ on eBay).

BTW. The 4/3 mount and the 35mm Zuiko OM mount are almost the same ... regardless, it is surprising that you were able to even come close to mounting a 35mm Zuiko lens on the Viltrox adapter without damaging the pins.
FWIW / FYI. I have BOTH a b 4/3 /b and a b m4/... (show quote)


What OP thought he was buying, was the equivalent of the MMF-3 adapter: It fits a Zuiko 4/3 lens to a M4/3 body.
The 35mm mentioned by OP is the focal length of the macro lens he was trying to fit.
Having straightened that out, OP:
have a look at the conversation on dpreview regarding this very adapter you received: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41540094
It appears to be an issue with an electrical connection in the adapter for the OP of that thread - could be with yours as well?

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Jan 20, 2014 10:34:18   #
alfeng Loc: Out where the West commences ...
 
Morning Star wrote:
What OP thought he was buying, was the equivalent of the MMF-3 adapter: It fits a Zuiko 4/3 lens to a M4/3 body.
The 35mm mentioned by OP is the focal length of the macro lens he was trying to fit.

Thanks for clarifying ...

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Jan 20, 2014 11:41:16   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Morning Star wrote:
What OP thought he was buying, was the equivalent of the MMF-3 adapter: It fits a Zuiko 4/3 lens to a M4/3 body.
The 35mm mentioned by OP is the focal length of the macro lens he was trying to fit.
Having straightened that out, OP:
have a look at the conversation on dpreview regarding this very adapter you received: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41540094
It appears to be an issue with an electrical connection in the adapter for the OP of that thread - could be with yours as well?
What OP thought he was buying, was the equivalent ... (show quote)


To all: Regarding the first photo. I should have noticed the skewing of the image. I took it at wide angle so the sides are distorted. The sides are really straight.

Correct, it is a Zuiko 4/3, 35 mm MACRO lens. Is it that this adaptor was not meant for macro lenses? It appears that the inside diameter is just shy of 47mm which is a smidge larger than the 46mm measurement of the adaptor itself which would account for it not fitting. I read the link to dpreview but that person finally got the lenses, or one of them, to work. I can't even get my lens on the adaptor. Didn't know that any Zuiko 4/3 lens would have mount dimensions any different than any other.

But I know nothing about macro lenses. So is it that I need a tube attachment?

The distributor for this Viltrox adaptor is trying to help. Finally offered to send another adaptor but if it is my lack of knowledge of this macro lens that is the problem, no point in the distributor sending another adaptor. :oops:

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Jan 20, 2014 12:29:45   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
mossgate wrote:
...Correct, it is a Zuiko 4/3, 35 mm MACRO lens. Is it that this adaptor was not meant for macro lenses?
...
But I know nothing about macro lenses. So is it that I need a tube attachment? ...


I got my OM-D E-M1 just a few days ago and because I have several nice 4/3 lenses, bought the MMF-3 adapter with it (which yours is supposed to replace and therefore should have the same functions), so that I can wait for a bit and save up for M4/3 lenses.
I also have the 35mm 4/3 macro lens and in fact it was the first one I put on the adapter and on the camera. It goes on very easy, as do the onther Zuiko 4/3 lenses I have.
The photos are just fine with the 35mm macro, and they weren't even macro photos ;-)

When it comes to extension tubes, I had those for my (35mm film) Ricoh camera, they go between the lens and body as well, but are intended to use a "regular" lens as macro lens.
All they were really, were open tubes or rings, there was no glass in them, and all they did was move the lens away from the recording medium, film in case of the Ricoh, and if they are available for digital (I don't know if they are), away from the sensor.
They were sold in sets of three, (three different sizes) you could use any one of them or any combination of them.
And you would definitely not need them with the 35mm macro lens.

Of course, neither does the 4/3-to-M4/3 have any glass, and it also moves the lens away from the recording medium, but I believe the purpose here would be to make the distance lens-recording medium in m4/3 cameras the same as in 4/3 cameras.

Hope you haven't all fallen asleep yet....

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Jan 20, 2014 20:14:42   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Morning Star wrote:
I got my OM-D E-M1 just a few days ago and because I have several nice 4/3 lenses, bought the MMF-3 adapter with it (which yours is supposed to replace and therefore should have the same functions), so that I can wait for a bit and save up for M4/3 lenses.
I also have the 35mm 4/3 macro lens and in fact it was the first one I put on the adapter and on the camera. It goes on very easy, as do the onther Zuiko 4/3 lenses I have.
The photos are just fine with the 35mm macro, and they weren't even macro photos ;-)

When it comes to extension tubes, I had those for my (35mm film) Ricoh camera, they go between the lens and body as well, but are intended to use a "regular" lens as macro lens.
All they were really, were open tubes or rings, there was no glass in them, and all they did was move the lens away from the recording medium, film in case of the Ricoh, and if they are available for digital (I don't know if they are), away from the sensor.
They were sold in sets of three, (three different sizes) you could use any one of them or any combination of them.
And you would definitely not need them with the 35mm macro lens.

Of course, neither does the 4/3-to-M4/3 have any glass, and it also moves the lens away from the recording medium, but I believe the purpose here would be to make the distance lens-recording medium in m4/3 cameras the same as in 4/3 cameras.

Hope you haven't all fallen asleep yet....
I got my OM-D E-M1 just a few days ago and because... (show quote)


Okay, then at least I know that the Zuiko 35mm macro should have the same attachability. The saga continues as to what I will do with this adaptor......throw it in the "bone yard" with other long unused things or return it.

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Jan 21, 2014 08:28:19   #
alfeng Loc: Out where the West commences ...
 
mossgate wrote:
Okay, then at least I know that the Zuiko 35mm macro should have the same attachability. The saga continues as to what I will do with this adaptor......throw it in the "bone yard" with other long unused things or return it.

FWIW. Okay ...

I took another look at the picture of the lens mount on the adapter AND if 'I' correctly understand the problem, now, I will state that there should NOT be the minuscule "lip" on the inner diameter of the mount.

YOU can test/confirm whether the visible "lip" on the back edge of the inner diameter of the lens mount is the problem by removing the mount from the adapter & seeing if it can then be mated to your lens ...

If THAT "lip" is what is preventing your lens from being inserted enough to be seated against the mount then (beyond shipping the adapter back) two options come to mind ...

The first would be (when the lens mount is removed from the rest of the adapter) to take a half-round file & remove the excess material (kids, don't try this at home!) ...

The second is to simply replace the mount, itself, with one from a 4/3 extension tube (from China via eBay) for <$10 (requires waiting a couple of weeks for the extension tubes to arrive).

Hope that helps.

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Jan 21, 2014 08:51:03   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
mossgate wrote:
Okay, then at least I know that the Zuiko 35mm macro should have the same attachability. The saga continues as to what I will do with this adaptor......throw it in the "bone yard" with other long unused things or return it.


I have to be out this morning, but for later today we've been promised sunshine. When I get back, I'll take a picture of the my adapter, trying to get it in the same position you had yours, and post it here.
(I tried with a flash light night, and it causes too many shadows to produce a usable picture).

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Jan 21, 2014 12:58:58   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
alfeng wrote:
FWIW. Okay ...

I took another look at the picture of the lens mount on the adapter AND if 'I' correctly understand the problem, now, I will state that there should NOT be the minuscule "lip" on the inner diameter of the mount.

YOU can test/confirm whether the visible "lip" on the back edge of the inner diameter of the lens mount is the problem by removing the mount from the adapter & seeing if it can then be mated to your lens ...

If THAT "lip" is what is preventing your lens from being inserted enough to be seated against the mount then (beyond shipping the adapter back) two options come to mind ...

The first would be (when the lens mount is removed from the rest of the adapter) to take a half-round file & remove the excess material (kids, don't try this at home!) ...

The second is to simply replace the mount, itself, with one from a 4/3 extension tube (from China via eBay) for <$10 (requires waiting a couple of weeks for the extension tubes to arrive).

Hope that helps.
FWIW. Okay ... br br I took another look at th... (show quote)


THANK YOU for your insight!!!!! I was wondering about that, too. Looks wonkie, doesn't it? Maybe the outer ring could be unscrewed and the plate underneath readjusted.
Otherwise......surgery.

Will wait to see what Morning Star's adaptor photo looks like to see if physical repairs are necessary. Will always avoid surgery whenever possible.

Jut as an off the topic addition. I took my new Olympus OMD E M-1 to the Chihuly exhibit at the Phoenix Botanical Garden yesterday.

I shot these in RAW + JPG largesuperfine. These are the JPGS with NO postprocessing with only a TINY smidge of dodge and burn. This was my first serious workout with my new camera.
I shot these in RAW + JPG largesuperfine. These ar...







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Jan 21, 2014 15:26:11   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
Morning Star wrote:
I have to be out this morning, but for later today we've been promised sunshine. When I get back, I'll take a picture of the my adapter, trying to get it in the same position you had yours, and post it here.
(I tried with a flash light night, and it causes too many shadows to produce a usable picture).


Well, the weatherman lied again, the sun is playing hide-and-seek.... Anyway, hope the attached pics are sufficient to see what you want to see. I used the 35mm macro lens, DOF not very good. If you would like me to see if I can do better, let me know and I'll drag my tripod out...

I'm storing original, maybe that on an enlargement you can see more.


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Jan 21, 2014 17:10:43   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
mossgate wrote:
Jut as an off the topic addition. I took my new Olympus OMD E M-1 to the Chihuly exhibit at the Phoenix Botanical Garden yesterday.


Isn't that stuff amazing?
Did you know that members can get in 1 hour before normal opening on Wednesdays and Sundays?

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Jan 21, 2014 18:54:47   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Morning Star wrote:
Well, the weatherman lied again, the sun is playing hide-and-seek.... Anyway, hope the attached pics are sufficient to see what you want to see. I used the 35mm macro lens, DOF not very good. If you would like me to see if I can do better, let me know and I'll drag my tripod out...

I'm storing original, maybe that on an enlargement you can see more.


Thank you so very much, Morning Star.

Looks to me that the "lip" that alfeng mentioned is even along the curve on yours and crooked on mine. I might have to see if I can e-mail the adaptor distributor the photo of my wonkie adaptor so he can see what the problem is. I'm sure he is interested in making this situation right, just needs to have a complete understanding of the problem. Don't need a replacement that is just as wonkie.:? Although, I think taking the adaptor apart might be interesting. If there is a quick fix, might as well give it a try. Might help other people with similar problem down the road.

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Jan 21, 2014 19:05:01   #
mossgate Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Wall-E wrote:
Isn't that stuff amazing?
Did you know that members can get in 1 hour before normal opening on Wednesdays and Sundays?


Hay! So you saw it too. I love it when the Garden installs sculptures. Otherwise, I'm seeing pretty much the same cacti every time which gets a bit monotonous, although I do like photographing the "wildlife" which I saw hardly any of this time around....photo'd one cactus wren and one dove which looked sick. No quail or desert squirrels, or curious lizards.

By the way, I saw the movie Wall-E. Very neat movie. Enjoyed it very much.

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