Years ago I had a photography business, mostly selling fine art prints and doing portraits. I lived in a pretty place, and did environmental portraiture and it was reasonably profitable. I mostly did my accounting in a shoebox.
Now there's the internet, electronic ordering of prints from a lab, accounting programs, etc. So I have a few practical questions.
Say you have a internet business, and people order prints and you order them from a lab in another state. If you have the prints mailed directly to the customer, that saves you postage, a trip to the post office or UPS, but you have no quality control over whether people are receiving an acceptable print. If you have the prints sent to you, it roughly doubles your postage expenses, but, of course, you get to see the prints before you send to the customer. It also slows the process. Any thoughts?
When I've sent prints to people in the past few years, I've had some trouble tracking orders, verifying that the orders were shipped from the lab, and tracking payments received. Does anyone have any familiarity with accounting programs that are commonly used by photographers? Any practical, commonsense advice on this, especially from someone who has experience maybe running a commercial portrait operation in which tracking a fair volume of orders is an issue? Are there any labs that have in-house accounting services as part of their professional services packages? Any experiences with them?
Does anyone have experience with writing off photography gear as a business expense, or do you have to depreciate the gear on a 3-year or 5 year cycle?
Does anyone have any experience selling high-end fine art greeting cards? I live in a high-tourist area and there is an opportunity for some modest income. Do you usually buy the wire racks to hold the cards? What's the normal percentage for the vendor? Any commonsense tips?
Thanks for any input!
Wayne Keene (waykee7)
Tom, thanks for the comments. They're helpful. I appreciate your pickiness; delivering a product that the customer is satisfied with is the right way to conduct business.
Wayne
waykee7 wrote:
Years ago I had a photography business, mostly selling fine art prints and doing portraits. I lived in a pretty place, and did environmental portraiture and it was reasonably profitable. I mostly did my accounting in a shoebox.
Now there's the internet, electronic ordering of prints from a lab, accounting programs, etc. So I have a few practical questions.
Say you have a internet business, and people order prints and you order them from a lab in another state. If you have the prints mailed directly to the customer, that saves you postage, a trip to the post office or UPS, but you have no quality control over whether people are receiving an acceptable print. If you have the prints sent to you, it roughly doubles your postage expenses, but, of course, you get to see the prints before you send to the customer. It also slows the process. Any thoughts?
When I've sent prints to people in the past few years, I've had some trouble tracking orders, verifying that the orders were shipped from the lab, and tracking payments received. Does anyone have any familiarity with accounting programs that are commonly used by photographers? Any practical, commonsense advice on this, especially from someone who has experience maybe running a commercial portrait operation in which tracking a fair volume of orders is an issue? Are there any labs that have in-house accounting services as part of their professional services packages? Any experiences with them?
Does anyone have experience with writing off photography gear as a business expense, or do you have to depreciate the gear on a 3-year or 5 year cycle?
Does anyone have any experience selling high-end fine art greeting cards? I live in a high-tourist area and there is an opportunity for some modest income. Do you usually buy the wire racks to hold the cards? What's the normal percentage for the vendor? Any commonsense tips?
Thanks for any input!
Wayne Keene (waykee7)
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Only deal with companies you are familiar with, that you know for a long time and were you're sure, the customer receives prints of the utmost quality no matter what. Anything less is a waste of time (and money), yours and the customers!
speters wrote:
Only deal with companies you are familiar with, that you know for a long time and were you're sure, the customer receives prints of the utmost quality no matter what. Anything less is a waste of time (and money), yours and the customers!
Thanks Speters.
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waykee7 wrote:
Years ago I had a photography business, mostly selling fine art prints and doing portraits. I lived in a pretty place, and did environmental portraiture and it was reasonably profitable. I mostly did my accounting in a shoebox.
Now there's the internet, electronic ordering of prints from a lab, accounting programs, etc. So I have a few practical questions.
Say you have a internet business, and people order prints and you order them from a lab in another state. If you have the prints mailed directly to the customer, that saves you postage, a trip to the post office or UPS, but you have no quality control over whether people are receiving an acceptable print. If you have the prints sent to you, it roughly doubles your postage expenses, but, of course, you get to see the prints before you send to the customer. It also slows the process. Any thoughts?
Print your own and mail do your own packaging and mailing.
When I've sent prints to people in the past few years, I've had some trouble tracking orders, verifying that the orders were shipped from the lab, and tracking payments received. Does anyone have any familiarity with accounting programs that are commonly used by photographers? Any practical, commonsense advice on this, especially from someone who has experience maybe running a commercial portrait operation in which tracking a fair volume of orders is an issue? Are there any labs that have in-house accounting services as part of their professional services packages? Any experiences with them?
I get payment in advance, so I don't have to track payment. I use a simple spreadsheet to record income, expenses and depreciation. I use a 5 year term on cameras and lenses.
Does anyone have experience with writing off photography gear as a business expense, or do you have to depreciate the gear on a 3-year or 5 year cycle?
Does anyone have any experience selling high-end fine art greeting cards? I live in a high-tourist area and there is an opportunity for some modest income. Do you usually buy the wire racks to hold the cards? What's the normal percentage for the vendor? Any commonsense tips?
No experience here, sorry.
Thanks for any input!
Wayne Keene (waykee7)
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Good luck with your venture. Let us all know how it works out.
waykee7 wrote:
Years ago I had a photography business, mostly selling fine art prints and doing portraits. I lived in a pretty place, and did environmental portraiture and it was reasonably profitable. I mostly did my accounting in a shoebox.
I've ordered pictures taken by pros that were displayed on Smugmug. I selected what I wanted, and Smugmug printed and mailed them. The results were excellent and very fast. If you have the prints sent to you, and examine them too closely, you'll find "defects" and want them done over. Perfection is overrated.
jerryc41 wrote:
I've ordered pictures taken by pros that were displayed on Smugmug. I selected what I wanted, and Smugmug printed and mailed them. The results were excellent and very fast. If you have the prints sent to you, and examine them too closely, you'll find "defects" and want them done over. Perfection is overrated.
Somebody smart, I think it was Henry Ford, said that the quest for perfection has wasted more time than any other endeavor. Just say'n.
jerryc41 wrote:
I've ordered pictures taken by pros that were displayed on Smugmug. I selected what I wanted, and Smugmug printed and mailed them. The results were excellent and very fast. If you have the prints sent to you, and examine them too closely, you'll find "defects" and want them done over. Perfection is overrated.
Not sure who said it, but I think the quote is "Perfection is the enemy of good enough."
The process I described can be overwhelming, but if you calibrate yourself, it'll save you some grief. When I get prints back from the lab, I don't look for errors in cropping or in color balance (although I hope I'll notice them if they're glaring enough), but for post processing artifacts that escaped my final scrutiny before shipping. Three times in the last year I had to have prints redone because of such artifacts.
If I'm being paid for an image, I feel better if I've done everything I can to make them "perfect." Never had one returned.
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