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Jan 8, 2014 20:46:19   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:

An extreme example of bad bokeh: the donut shaped highlights in a shot with a mirror lens .


Goofy, you really know how to ruin a guys day.
Those donuts are like scraping your nails accross a chalkboard !!
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Jan 8, 2014 20:51:12   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Goofy, you really know how to ruin a guys day.
Those donuts are like scraping your nails accross a chalkboard !!
:thumbdown: :hunf:
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Nikonian72 has managed NOT to get them in some photos he's taken.
Technique, having the only good copy of the Nikon 500 and the lack of spectral hightlights helps.

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Jan 8, 2014 20:59:32   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Bokeh is about the quality of the blur, not just shallow depth of field.
You can't get more or less bokeh as it is a quality, not a quantity.
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Yes, BUT - shallower DOF tends to blur more and in that way provides less distraction which is thought to "improve" Bokeh.....There is a correlation of some degree.

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Jan 8, 2014 21:05:05   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, BUT - shallower DOF tends to blur more and in that way provides less distraction which is thought to "improve" Bokeh.....There is a correlation of some degree.


Longer focal lengths and wider f-stops provide MORE control or a wider range of the backround blur possibilites......again, the "artistry" side of photography.

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Jan 8, 2014 23:36:53   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
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Jan 8, 2014 23:51:24   #
Smartdoc Loc: Orlando, Florida
 
The Canon EOS 5 III and the 24-105 is a great choice.

However note that this is a F4 lens and if you want to "blow out the background" to emphasize the subject a f 2.8 lens or lower would be better.

Now for my ultimate tip on this. Go with the canon MACRO 100 mm L f2.8 Image Stabilized lens for portraits. It has great sharpness, allows short depth of field and its also a great image stabilized close up lens for flowers etc. It works better than the 24-105 but the 24-105 is also a great general purpose lens. I have both.

The ultimate Canon lens for portraits is the 85 mm f1.2, but it is hard to use and has no IS.

See enclosed photo @f2.8 on the 100 mm IS Macro L

Canon 100mm f2.8 macro @2.8
Canon 100mm f2.8 macro @2.8...

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Jan 8, 2014 23:55:20   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Great detail and sharpness.

A lot of customers are fairly vein when it comes to their portraits though. They don't want to see what's there; they want to see what they'd LIKE to be there. ;)

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Jan 8, 2014 23:58:27   #
Smartdoc Loc: Orlando, Florida
 
Of course with the 200 mm at f2.8 your subject needs to be in Montana in order for you to get a portrait!

For reasonable distance use a 85 up to 135 mm lens at f2.8 or less.

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Jan 9, 2014 11:22:11   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
no kidding, SS!

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Jan 9, 2014 23:59:17   #
Analog Guy
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Great detail and sharpness.

A lot of customers are fairly vein when it comes to their portraits though. They don't want to see what's there; they want to see what they'd LIKE to be there. ;)


There we agree - the customer rarely wants the whole truth. I can think of three industries that depend on people's dissatisfaction with themselves: Cosmetics, plastic surgery, and weight loss.

BTW, Doc, - the original IS works with most cameras and lenses. It's called a tripod. :wink:

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Jan 10, 2014 00:23:23   #
Smartdoc Loc: Orlando, Florida
 
Analog Guy wrote:
There we agree - the customer rarely wants the whole truth. I can think of three industries that depend on people's dissatisfaction with themselves: Cosmetics, plastic surgery, and weight loss.

BTW, Doc, - the original IS works with most cameras and lenses. It's called a tripod. :wink:


You are quite right about a tripod, it is the best way to eliminate shake, but for hand held, IS can be a wonderful addition allowing a wide choice of f stop or shutter speed and now a 4 stop advantage.

When using a tripod, it is best to turn off the IS since if there is no shake the electronics can go ape!

I use my canon 100 mm Macro f2.8 for portraits on a full frame Canon EOS 5 III but I also use it for macro on insects and flowers where tripod use is limited "in the wild" I just bought a nice carbon tripod made for a 26 lb camera (overkill is good) and a Really Right Stuff large ball head. The RRS ball head is the finest head I have ever used and it is US made. The Canon is made in Japan which is not China folks. Most Nikon's are now made outside Japan.

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Jan 10, 2014 02:15:35   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
CTphotogGuy wrote:
Hello. This is my first time on this sight and I want to compliment you guys and ladies. Thus far, what I am picking up on, is that you all are just ordinary, yet quite knowledgeable (and probably very talented) folks who are not full of yourselves. Do you know how refreshing that is?! There are so many forums where there are SOooo many people who are bloated individuals who just like to hear themselves talk, drop jargon, etc.

Okay...to my question. If I am going to do portrait photography, can I do it with a zoom lens such as a 24-105, or a 24-70, and simply set it at portraiture length (50-70? Or do I need a dedicated portraiture lens? In other words, by using a zoom lens which is set to the proper focal length, will my portraits suffer in quality when compared to images that I would achieve by investing in a dedicated e.g. 50 mm lens? Thank you. Terry M.
Hello. This is my first time on this sight and I w... (show quote)

On a full frame, 85mm to 135mm is considered portrait territory. I think 70mm is too short. By portraits I mean head and upper torso.

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Jan 10, 2014 09:21:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Smartdoc wrote:
The Canon EOS 5 III and the 24-105 is a great choice.

However note that this is a F4 lens and if you want to "blow out the background" to emphasize the subject a f 2.8 lens or lower would be better.

Now for my ultimate tip on this. Go with the canon MACRO 100 mm L f2.8 Image Stabilized lens for portraits. It has great sharpness, allows short depth of field and its also a great image stabilized close up lens for flowers etc. It works better than the 24-105 but the 24-105 is also a great general purpose lens. I have both.

The ultimate Canon lens for portraits is the 85 mm f1.2, but it is hard to use and has no IS.

See enclosed photo @f2.8 on the 100 mm IS Macro L
The Canon EOS 5 III and the 24-105 is a great choi... (show quote)


I prefer the 100 F2 for portrait work - more DOF option at half the price of the macro - no IS though. The 100F2 can be made into a very nice close up lens with a Canon 500D on the front - good for only about 1:2.5 though, again no IS. Of course, if money no object get both ! Full frame shooters should probably think more about the 135 F2 or 135 soft focus lens.

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Jan 11, 2014 12:22:02   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
amehta wrote:
This is at least the third time you have posted an objection to my comments, so I decided to respond. I'm not sure if you disagree with specific things I've said, or object to me in general. If there's something specific, I'm more than happy to have a discussion about it. If it's just me, then you'll have to figure something out, because I'm not going away.

I do not believe I ever said that my "images were better than everybody else's," so I would really appreciate a link to that comment. It's natural that you will find some of my opinions shaky, and I will certainly offer more opinions which you do not like. When a good photographer posts a picture, it seems appropriate to offer a suggestion that I think would make the picture better, just as he can ignore or disagree with the opinion. But to suggest that I should not have an "attention to detail" seems very odd in a photography forum.

Anyway, we're both here to stay, so this entertainment will simply continue. :-)
This is at least the third time you have posted an... (show quote)


I was just hazing the "new kid" a little bit to see if you'd be cool under a little pressure and you are and I commend you for that as well as for your obvious mountain of knowledge. You will be a great asset to the lessor knowledgeable among us, myself included, and a role model for newcomers. I've watched you dodge some of our most prolific flamers with a great deal of skill and agility.

As to this comment, "my images were better than everybody else's," you did say that but I have to admit that I fudged the context just a tad for effect. I won't bother to go look it up because frankly you're posting faster than I can read, :shock: and I didn't make a note of what thread it was in. I'll be a little more specific and I'm sure you will remember where you said that. To paraphrase, you were telling about you and a friend doing a shoot and there were other photographers there shooting also but with lessor equipment than your D800. You went on to say that when the shoot was over you were "selling" when nobody else was because your pictures were better than everyone else's. You were no doubt emphasizing the benefit of owing a D800 with which, as a Canon FF shooter currently, I can agree with the potential. You'll have to pardon me that one little stretch - it's 2014, credibility is always suspect, and mine, while it is normally an exception, in this case I admit it isn't. :-) It has been a dull day on uhh each of those days when I've rattled your cage. :mrgreen: As you said, we'll be alright.

I'll rest easy with you on the job. You're doing good. Carry on. :thumbup:

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Jan 11, 2014 14:37:08   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
gessman wrote:
I was just hazing the "new kid" a little bit to see if you'd be cool under a little pressure and you are and I commend you for that as well as for your obvious mountain of knowledge. You will be a great asset to the lessor knowledgeable among us, myself included, and a role model for newcomers. I've watched you dodge some of our most prolific flamers with a great deal of skill and agility.

As to this comment, "my images were better than everybody else's," you did say that but I have to admit that I fudged the context just a tad for effect. I won't bother to go look it up because frankly you're posting faster than I can read, :shock: and I didn't make a note of what thread it was in. I'll be a little more specific and I'm sure you will remember where you said that. To paraphrase, you were telling about you and a friend doing a shoot and there were other photographers there shooting also but with lessor equipment than your D800. You went on to say that when the shoot was over you were "selling" when nobody else was because your pictures were better than everyone else's. You were no doubt emphasizing the benefit of owing a D800 with which, as a Canon FF shooter currently, I can agree with the potential. You'll have to pardon me that one little stretch - it's 2014, credibility is always suspect, and mine, while it is normally an exception, in this case I admit it isn't. :-) It has been a dull day on uhh each of those days when I've rattled your cage. :mrgreen: As you said, we'll be alright.

I'll rest easy with you on the job. You're doing good. Carry on. :thumbup:
I was just hazing the "new kid" a little... (show quote)

I forgot that, when I moved into a new neighborhood, there would be the ornery old guy sitting in his rocking chair on his porch "vetting" everyone. ;-)

You're right, my goal in many shooting situations is to create either different or better photographs, if I'm going to be able to sell them. That has been part of the intent of my volleyball photography: who is going to buy my shots if they can take the same shot themselves? Well, my camera is better, and my lenses are better, now I just have to make sure I'm better too. It's a fun challenge...

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