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Jan 17, 2012 22:48:15   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
Impressive! This is a high ranking bucket list entry.Thank you for sharing.

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Jan 17, 2012 22:55:00   #
alaskan
 
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Jan 17, 2012 22:56:22   #
alaskan
 
alaskan wrote:
Jay Pat wrote:
alaskan wrote:
Icebergs never make it to the Stikine river because the mouth of the lake is too shallow so they all get stuck there.


Has it ever happened...
When you arrive to any lake, the boat can't enter due to an ice jam?
If it does and you are not in deep enough water for the boat to get up on plane, what do you do then? Float down to deep water.
I thinking, the boat could sit down in the water and sit on the bottom.....If the water wasn't deep enough.

Pat


Not all lakes have a glacier/icebergs in them or are connected to a waterway/creek large/deep enough to permit boat operation. Shakes lake is unique so lets consider this specific situation. The lake water comes from the glacier, there is one way current toward the Shakes slough and the Stikine river.The entrance to the lake is not very wide but icebergs cannot block it because they get stuck before they get close to the entrance.In another words if you have enough water in the Shakes slough you can always enter the lake and hit the brakes before you run into the icebergs. The photo #1 shows situation when there is plenty of room around the icebergs to proceed to the glacier.Lately there were so many icebergs piled up at this spot (wall to wall and about a mile deep) that you could not get past them=you could not go to the glacier.
Jetboats can live in a few inches of water if they are on step/plane but then you got to go wide open and cannot slow down or stop does not matter what. If you do you get stuck and in the wilderness with no traffic it is a BIG problem. So any good jetboat Captain will read the tension on the water surface ahead of the boat and if he detects too shallow area he simply will not go there.Another trick is to make a sharp 360 turn and to watch how the wave you created behaves ahead of you. If the shallow area is not too wide the momentum (in full speed) will carry you even over dry land or solid ice. The best of the best can cross a shallow area by going at the full speed and just before the shallows they engage the reverse.That will stop the boat and the action creates a good size wave in front of the boat.You must immediately accelerate to full power to get on the top of that wave and to surf over the troubled spot. Of course this trick requires a perfect timing.You can also jump over fallen trees if there is no other way to avoid the obstacle. If the jetboat gets stuck you cannot restart the engines because your pumps intakes are on the bottom of the hull and instead of water you will suck in mud,sand and gravel and plug everything.
I have been in two groundings, one of them in fog in full speed. I was the only one standing trying to calm the nervous cruise ship passengers so I got a bit banged up.It was like a car crash at 40mph but in a slow motion. We had to abandon the boat and walk the passengers in their Gucci shoes etc. thru sticky mud to a deeper spot where another boat could pick them up. Not a good day... Ivan.
quote=Jay Pat quote=alaskan Icebergs never make... (show quote)

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Jan 17, 2012 22:58:05   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
alaskan wrote:
Jay Pat wrote:
alaskan wrote:
Icebergs never make it to the Stikine river because the mouth of the lake is too shallow so they all get stuck there.


Has it ever happened...
When you arrive to any lake, the boat can't enter due to an ice jam?
If it does and you are not in deep enough water for the boat to get up on plane, what do you do then? Float down to deep water.
I thinking, the boat could sit down in the water and sit on the bottom.....If the water wasn't deep enough.

Pat


Not all lakes have a glacier/icebergs in them or are connected to a waterway/creek large/deep enough to permit boat operation. Shakes lake is unique so lets consider this specific situation. The lake water comes from the glacier, there is one way current toward the Shakes slough and the Stikine river.The entrance to the lake is not very wide but icebergs cannot block it because they get stuck before they get close to the entrance.In another words if you have enough water in the Shakes slough you can always enter the lake and hit the brakes before you run into the icebergs. The photo #1 shows situation when there is plenty of room among the icebergs to proceed to the glacier.Lately there were so many icebergs piled up at this spot (wall to wall and about a mile deep) that you could not get past them=you could not go to the glacier.
Jetboats can live in a few inches of water if they are on step/plane but then you got to go wide open and cannot slow down or stop does not matter what. If you do you get stuck and in the wilderness with no traffic it is a BIG problem. So any good jetboat Captain will read the tension on the water surface ahead of the boat and if he detects too shallow area he simply will not go there.Another trick is to make a sharp 360 turn and to watch how the wave you created behaves ahead of you. If the shallow area is not too wide the momentum (in full speed) will carry you even over dry land or solid ice. The best of the best can cross a shallow area by going at the full speed and just before the shallows they engage the reverse.That will stop the boat and the action creates a good size wave in front of the boat.You must immediately accelerate to full power to get on the top of that wave and to surf over the troubled spot. Of course this trick requires a perfect timing.You can also jump over fallen trees if there is no other way to avoid the obstacle. If the jetboat gets stuck you cannot restart the engines because your pumps intakes are on the bottom of the hull and instead of water you will suck in mud,sand and gravel and plug everything.
I have been in two groundings, one of them in fog in full speed. I was the only one standing trying to calm the nervous cruise ship passengers so I got a bit banged up.It was like a car crash at 40mph but in a slow motion. We had to abandon the boat and walk the passengers in their Gucci shoes etc. thru sticky mud to a deeper spot where another boat could pick them up. Not a good day... Ivan.
quote=Jay Pat quote=alaskan Icebergs never make... (show quote)


Ivan I bet you could fill a book with your stories. You are almost as good a story teller as you are a photographer.

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Jan 17, 2012 23:03:08   #
laskalass Loc: Land of the Midnight Sun
 
lovely!! Your the best spokesman for people coming here Ivan!



alaskan wrote:
Shakes lake in named after famous Tlingit chief and is one of the deepest (1200`) in the North America.Carved by retreating Shakes glacier it is connected to Stikine river by a waterway called Shakes slough. Icebergs never make it to the Stikine river because the mouth of the lake is too shallow so they all get stuck there.

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Jan 17, 2012 23:11:27   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
There is a lot to this as you are operating in an extreme situation.
I amazed that they can read the water....Well, I shouldn't be.

I'm sure you have many images and stories for when things don't workout right.

Pat

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Jan 17, 2012 23:15:34   #
suntomoon Loc: Virginia Beach, Va.
 
Beautiful, so serene- love the castle mountain shot :-)

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Jan 17, 2012 23:37:39   #
Clarence Loc: Modesto, California
 
Alaskan, as usual your photography surpasses the very good mark! It is so realistic, I had to go get a jacket to finish looking at your photos. You are truly a master. Thanks for sharing.

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Jan 18, 2012 00:07:31   #
cindy11 Loc: Honeoye Falls, NY
 
With all your knowledge, too bad you weren't the captain of the cruise ship in Italy. You would know better than to go too closely to the rocks.

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Jan 18, 2012 00:12:10   #
alaskan
 
Country's Mama wrote:
alaskan wrote:
Jay Pat wrote:
alaskan wrote:
Icebergs never make it to the Stikine river because the mouth of the lake is too shallow so they all get stuck there.


Has it ever happened...
When you arrive to any lake, the boat can't enter due to an ice jam?
If it does and you are not in deep enough water for the boat to get up on plane, what do you do then? Float down to deep water.
I thinking, the boat could sit down in the water and sit on the bottom.....If the water wasn't deep enough.

Pat


Not all lakes have a glacier/icebergs in them or are connected to a waterway/creek large/deep enough to permit boat operation. Shakes lake is unique so lets consider this specific situation. The lake water comes from the glacier, there is one way current toward the Shakes slough and the Stikine river.The entrance to the lake is not very wide but icebergs cannot block it because they get stuck before they get close to the entrance.In another words if you have enough water in the Shakes slough you can always enter the lake and hit the brakes before you run into the icebergs. The photo #1 shows situation when there is plenty of room among the icebergs to proceed to the glacier.Lately there were so many icebergs piled up at this spot (wall to wall and about a mile deep) that you could not get past them=you could not go to the glacier.
Jetboats can live in a few inches of water if they are on step/plane but then you got to go wide open and cannot slow down or stop does not matter what. If you do you get stuck and in the wilderness with no traffic it is a BIG problem. So any good jetboat Captain will read the tension on the water surface ahead of the boat and if he detects too shallow area he simply will not go there.Another trick is to make a sharp 360 turn and to watch how the wave you created behaves ahead of you. If the shallow area is not too wide the momentum (in full speed) will carry you even over dry land or solid ice. The best of the best can cross a shallow area by going at the full speed and just before the shallows they engage the reverse.That will stop the boat and the action creates a good size wave in front of the boat.You must immediately accelerate to full power to get on the top of that wave and to surf over the troubled spot. Of course this trick requires a perfect timing.You can also jump over fallen trees if there is no other way to avoid the obstacle. If the jetboat gets stuck you cannot restart the engines because your pumps intakes are on the bottom of the hull and instead of water you will suck in mud,sand and gravel and plug everything.
I have been in two groundings, one of them in fog in full speed. I was the only one standing trying to calm the nervous cruise ship passengers so I got a bit banged up.It was like a car crash at 40mph but in a slow motion. We had to abandon the boat and walk the passengers in their Gucci shoes etc. thru sticky mud to a deeper spot where another boat could pick them up. Not a good day... Ivan.
quote=Jay Pat quote=alaskan Icebergs never make... (show quote)


Ivan I bet you could fill a book with your stories. You are almost as good a story teller as you are a photographer.
quote=alaskan quote=Jay Pat quote=alaskan Iceb... (show quote)


Thank you, I think. :shock: Ivan.

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Jan 18, 2012 00:13:54   #
alaskan
 
laskalass wrote:
lovely!! Your the best spokesman for people coming here Ivan!



alaskan wrote:
Shakes lake in named after famous Tlingit chief and is one of the deepest (1200`) in the North America.Carved by retreating Shakes glacier it is connected to Stikine river by a waterway called Shakes slough. Icebergs never make it to the Stikine river because the mouth of the lake is too shallow so they all get stuck there.


I am planning to ask the state of Alaska to share some profits ...
Thanks, Ivan. :lol:

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Jan 18, 2012 00:18:22   #
alaskan
 
cindy11 wrote:
With all your knowledge, too bad you weren't the captain of the cruise ship in Italy. You would know better than to go too closely to the rocks.


Well he blew it and run like a chicken. It is easier to get away with some crazy stuff in a jetboat. Thanks, Ivan.

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Jan 18, 2012 00:21:11   #
alaskan
 
Clarence wrote:
Alaskan, as usual your photography surpasses the very good mark! It is so realistic, I had to go get a jacket to finish looking at your photos. You are truly a master. Thanks for sharing.


I will post some photos of bears eating salmon soon, so do not forget to stock up on fresh fish.Thanks, Ivan. :lol:

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Jan 18, 2012 00:22:40   #
alaskan
 
suntomoon wrote:
Beautiful, so serene- love the castle mountain shot :-)


Yes, I love that mountain too. Thanks,Ivan.



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Jan 18, 2012 00:23:34   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
I am planning to ask the state of Alaska to share some profits ...
Thanks, Ivan. :lol:[/quote]
If they came here and read what you have written, you wouldn't have to ask. See? I told you you were a great writer!!!

:-P

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