Major Move for Nikon - Not Good (Page 2): My analogy was that certain accessories and software are proprietary and in no way referred to all of anything. The thread I was referring to...

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

TimS wrote:

I'm confused. Do you mean that all the non-Apple external components like routers, switches, firewalls, USB hubs, monitor calibration, printers, etc that are available for PCs aren't available for macs?

Or perhaps you mean that the only software you can install on a Mac is Apple software?

Or do you mean that Apple is an example if a company with tight control of its internal hardware and is still a tech giant?

My analogy was that certain accessories and software are proprietary and in no way referred to all of anything. The thread I was referring to talked about lenses, not filters, memory cards, etc.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

jerryc41 wrote:

If the general public learns that you cannot use anything but Nikon lenses on their cameras, I would think sales would decline sharply. With no choice but Nikon lenses, what incentive would there be for Nikon to keep the prices of their lenses down?

I'd love to know which lines of products produce the most profit for them. At any rate, I hope you're right!

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Screamin Scott wrote:

Canon changed their lens mount from FD to EOS back... (show quote)

Great examples!

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Screamin Scott wrote:

Trust me, 3rd party makers will find work arounds or do a bit of reverse engineering...

Sigma has an update that will let their lenses work with the D5300, but they will not work as well as they should. I'll think twice about updating my Nikons.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

They are not changing the mount, but some of the firmware as per the article, thus the older lenses will still work but with some loss of functionality (seems the article mentions Live View AF & OS. While I have Live View on a couple of my Nikon DSLR's, I never use it nor do I use OS/VR....So it may only be an issue for a select group of people, not the "Earth Shattering" change as it's being made out to be.

jerryc41 wrote:

If the general public learns that you cannot use anything but Nikon lenses on their cameras, I would think sales would decline sharply. With no choice but Nikon lenses, what incentive would there be for Nikon to keep the prices of their lenses down?

Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX

So glad I have a D5200. When the world comes to an end for DSLRs, maybe I'll have the last one standing that'll still take third party lenses....

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Mr PC wrote:

So glad I have a D5200. When the world comes to an end for DSLRs, maybe I'll have the last one standing that'll still take third party lenses....

Just be careful about doing firmware updates.

pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY

jerryc41 wrote:

If the general public learns that you cannot use anything but Nikon lenses on their cameras, I would think sales would decline sharply. With no choice but Nikon lenses, what incentive would there be for Nikon to keep the prices of their lenses down?

Sound a little like Beta tapes from Sony some years back? Beta went toes up for that decision.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

pithydoug wrote:

Sound a little like Beta tapes from Sony some years back? Beta went toes up for that decision.

I believe Homer Simpson has a beta system, so he was one of the smart ones. :D

Mr PC Loc: Austin, TX

jerryc41 wrote:

Just be careful about doing firmware updates.

I'm a computer guy, Jerry! Never replace a driver that is happily purring along. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I make more money from customers that insist on monkeying with functional equipment thinking they'll gain some new feature. Ain't human nature grand!

oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.

TimS wrote:

I just have one word to say about that...Canon.

Wrong Word--- Try Sony.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA

The prices for second hand lenses that no longer function properly with the new breed of Nikon cameras may eventually drop considerably - which would be good news for some Nikon camera users, specifically those who continue using their older cameras. The same thing happened with FD-mount lenses for Canon.

MT Shooter Loc: Montana

jerryc41 wrote:

We had a big discussion a few weeks ago about Nikon's update that prevented third party batteries from working in certain bodies. Well, they've taken it one step farther with the D5300. Now they want you to use their lenses, and only their lenses.

http://www.diyphotography.net/nikon-changes-lens-mount-rocks-dslr-and-mirrorless-ecosystem-boat

Nothing has changed other than advancing technology. Its a firmware issue with Sigma and they will update any of their lenses for FREE if you send them the lens. There are no PHYSICAL changes at all with either Nikon nor Sigmas products. No different than having to update your Adobe software every time Canon or Nikon introduce a new body with updated RAW file capability.
Right now its only on the newest Df and D5300 models, but likely all newer Nikons being introduced from this date forward will enjoy this new technology as well. I don't have either of these bodies in stock right now so I cannot test the issue personally, but I always welcome advances in the photographic artform.

lesdmd Loc: Middleton Wi via N.Y.C. & Cleveland

Just to be a contrarian: It seems to me that Nikon has no obligation, and certainly no financial interest, in making its latest proprietary technology backwards compatible with what third-party manufacturers have put out on the market. I'm not even sure they have that obligation with their own products, although they have built a reputation on doing so. When one purchases a camera body and lens (s)he expects them to work in tandem but not necessarily through subsequent generations of advances in development. The fact that Nikon has made this possible is to their credit. The fact that they are making the competition do the same, where possible, is just good business.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

jerryc41 wrote:

We had a big discussion a few weeks ago about Nikon's update that prevented third party batteries from working in certain bodies. Well, they've taken it one step farther with the D5300. Now they want you to use their lenses, and only their lenses.

http://www.diyphotography.net/nikon-changes-lens-mount-rocks-dslr-and-mirrorless-ecosystem-boat

Olympus and Panasonic are the best examples of camera makers that aren't afraid to compete on a level playing field. The rest rely on cheap tricks and advertising gimmicks because they know people fall for it.