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Dec 21, 2013 09:22:50   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
donmabry wrote:
i'm getting a little tired of messing with screw-in filters and would like to try the Cokin filter system. I'd never even seen one until a couple days ago so, all I know is what I've been able to read during that short time. Needless to say, I need a lot of help and have a lot of questions. Am I correct in thinking that the "Series" designation has to do with the size of the filter holder? Is it true that, when they talk about the 'P Series', they're talking about the size of the holder? My only real concern is whether or not the P Series will fit my Nikon 7100 without any problems. Do they possibly make a polarizer for the Cokin system (in the P Series)? It seems it would be impossible to make a round object (the filter) fit in a rectangular opening and still expect it to rotate. But, maybe it's possible to do that. The only others I'm interested in right now are the ND filters. If a polarizer is available, can you stack it and the ND filter in the holder and use them together? Can anyone recommend a good source for purchasing the filters. I see a lot of copy-cat filters on places such as Amazon but, I'm having trouble finding a good source for the Cokin filters. Can you use some sort of step-down adapter so that the same holder will fit different lenses (assuming your holder is one to fit your largest size lens)? I'll stop with my questions for now but, I would appreciate any other thoughts/advice that anyone would care to give regarding what I'm trying to do. Obviously, I know very little about this so, I welcome any comments you may have.
i'm getting a little tired of messing with screw-i... (show quote)


If you decide to go with the Cokin system please PM me. I have a a large collection of the A and P filters, holders, and rings that I will sell. I can supply a complete list.

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Dec 21, 2013 09:31:11   #
sbesaw Loc: Boston
 
If you want another high quality option check out HiTech filter system

https://www.formatt-hitech.com/

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Dec 21, 2013 09:50:18   #
WereWolf1967 Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
OK,

Here's one for everyone.
Does anyone have/use the Cokin Creative Flash System????
I've had one for over 20 years and I drag it out every so often and use it for mostly close-up work. It's not TTL but the light sensor is right out in front of the flash tubes and does remarkably well (with common sense adjustments of course).

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Dec 21, 2013 10:15:37   #
Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK
 
donmabry wrote:
would like to try the Cokin filter system. Am I correct in thinking that the "Series" designation has to do with the size of the filter holder? Is it true that, when they talk about the 'P Series', they're talking about the size of the holder? Do they possibly make a polarizer for the Cokin system (in the P Series)? The only others I'm interested in right now are the ND filters. If a polarizer is available, can you stack it and the ND filter in the holder and use them together? Can you use some sort of step-down adapter so that the same holder will fit different lenses (assuming your holder is one to fit your largest size lens)?
would like to try the Cokin filter system. Am ... (show quote)


Cokin is a good system but has arguably been surpassed by Lee - which is what a lot of professionals use. You may also like to look at Kood.
P refers to 'Pro' series and is for larger lens.
Yes they do a Polariser and yes it is round. There is a special slot for it closest to the lens.
Yes you can stack several filters in the holder and they have a good range of graduated filters.
You didn't ask - but yes there is also a lens hood.
Yes you can get the usual adapters for the threads - but with the Cokin and Lee systems you purchase special rings that screw onto your lens and the filter holder clips on to the ring.

You can find catalogs by Googling

As you are starting from new I would suggest checking out the other makes. Lee is more expensive - but well made so if you have an expensive pro lens it may be worth it.



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Dec 21, 2013 10:20:42   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
lighthouse wrote:
Hi Don,
I think you are heading in a wise direction.
These systems sound expensive at first and end up enormously cheaper in the long run.
I recommend Lee instead of Cokin but will get to that later.

In Cokin I would advise to go bigger than P.
Yes P goes to 82mm but that is not big enough for an 82mm width lens in my opinion.
I have lenses that take 82mm filters but my system takes the next size up - the equivalent of Cokin Z-pro size. 6" x 4" filters.
I still have problems every now and then with the filterholder getting in the way with my wide angle lenses at the wide end.
Even with the Canon 17-40mm which only has a 77mm filter size.
The filter holder intrudes into the photo.

The reason for this is that my holder is set up to take 3 filters. I stack filters and many people with these systems do. (Stacking filters = placing more than one filter over the lens)

Now- regarding Cokin vs the alternative systems.

I will be honest. I do not like Cokin Neutral Density Graduated filters. They have an ugly magenta cast.

The Lee filter system is more expensive but has much more usable filters with virtually unnoticeable colour cast.
My advise would be to buy the Lee system instead of Cokin if you can afford it and if graduated neutral density filters are on your wish list.
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I will have to agree about the color cast in cokin filters especially if you try to stack them. I switched to lee filters and have been very happy, it's a big investment, but the quality sometimes cost more.

Cokin are ok the color cast can be corrected in post processing the cokin polierizer works well

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Dec 21, 2013 11:20:30   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
donmabry wrote:
i'm getting a little tired of messing with screw-in filters and would like to try the Cokin filter system. I'd never even seen one until a couple days ago so, all I know is what I've been able to read during that short time. Needless to say, I need a lot of help and have a lot of questions. Am I correct in thinking that the "Series" designation has to do with the size of the filter holder? Is it true that, when they talk about the 'P Series', they're talking about the size of the holder? My only real concern is whether or not the P Series will fit my Nikon 7100 without any problems. Do they possibly make a polarizer for the Cokin system (in the P Series)? It seems it would be impossible to make a round object (the filter) fit in a rectangular opening and still expect it to rotate. But, maybe it's possible to do that. The only others I'm interested in right now are the ND filters. If a polarizer is available, can you stack it and the ND filter in the holder and use them together? Can anyone recommend a good source for purchasing the filters. I see a lot of copy-cat filters on places such as Amazon but, I'm having trouble finding a good source for the Cokin filters. Can you use some sort of step-down adapter so that the same holder will fit different lenses (assuming your holder is one to fit your largest size lens)? I'll stop with my questions for now but, I would appreciate any other thoughts/advice that anyone would care to give regarding what I'm trying to do. Obviously, I know very little about this so, I welcome any comments you may have.
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Background:

I had the same issue with filters as you described.

I had a Cokin adapter and Graduated Neutral Density filters left over from film days, which I like and use. I did not have any other type of filters for the Cokin.

I have also had bought a couple of regular (screw in type) filters for my digital camera.

Discussion:

I bought a Cokin lens adaptor for my new digital camera so I could use the GND filters I had, but I still had to do all the screwing and unscrewing to use the regular filters and to change to the cork in GND filter. I like the regular filters because I believe they are less bulky.

My solution was the XUME Quick Release Adaptor system, which I first heard about on this site. This is a set of magnetic rings that screw into the filters and Corkin adaptor and the end of the lens.

To change filters it is just a pull and replace with the desired filter (no screwing). I also bought a magnetic ring for my lens cap so I could use it. I found that based on the old habit of squeezing the lens cap release mechanism when taking the lens cap off and on, it was best to apply a little silicon glue to the lens cap and itÂ’s associated ring. This keeps the lens cap ring attached to the lens cap even when I squeeze (and I still do) the lens cap release mechanism.

The cast associated with the cork in filters I handle in post processing

You may want to look into this solution and see if it will work for you.

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Dec 21, 2013 12:07:38   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Jane_Austin wrote:
If your budget allows, invest in the Lee system. The build quality of the holder is excellent and the filters are virtually cast free. If you are a landscape photographer I'd recommend starting with the soft edged graduated ND set (stackable). You can add others progressively as your needs evolve. I've found a small collection to be more than adequate. All the best with your decision!

I would rather recommend the hard edged filters, as they are soooo much easier to place (especially if you're getting into stacking)!

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Dec 21, 2013 12:24:23   #
Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller
 
DaveO wrote:
By the way, this has been an informative discussion.


:thumbup:

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Dec 21, 2013 12:41:07   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
I use primarily Lee and have an assortment of GND, ND and circular polarizer along with the holders and adjustable hood. I also have a hitech reverse ND which seems good quality. The above filters are better than cokin but I read a test regarding the filter holders and the cokin z seems to be a little more secure. I can report that the Lee holder can be liberated with a little bump of the latch that affixes it to the ring. Made in a small English factory, some of the Lee product can be in short supply at times but can be found. I highly recommend Lee.

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Dec 21, 2013 12:48:52   #
donmabry Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Heyrob, thank you. Just the sort of info I was looking for. Now, do you have any idea where one could get the polarizer? I haven't seen it advertised anywhere.

Thanks again for the good info. I appreciate it.
Don

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Dec 21, 2013 13:08:55   #
donmabry Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Lighthouse, thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Where does one go to find the Lee System? And, what is a good source for both brands of filters? I'm having a little trouble in finding a good selection in either one of them.

Happy holidays.

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Dec 21, 2013 13:13:04   #
sbesaw Loc: Boston
 
donmabry wrote:
Lighthouse, thanks for the info. I appreciate it. Where does one go to find the Lee System? And, what is a good source for both brands of filters? I'm having a little trouble in finding a good selection in either one of them.

Happy holidays.


Most of the pros I know shoot with HiTech. Moose Peterson speaks highly of them. Great quality and all metal mounting bracket

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Dec 21, 2013 14:08:55   #
Arca
 
DonMabry,

I too have used the Cokin system. There is some interchangeability among Cokin, Hi-Tech and Lee systems/filters. I think that you need to have at least the 'P' size of Cokin holder.

The graduated ND gray and GND blue filters of the Cokin system are fun to work with. They also make GND 'Tobacco' and GND 'Fog' filters. Some filters tend to become overdone (IMHO) and they certainly do manufacture some filters which I think are simply phony looking, but that may be for those with more of a creative flair than myself.

I guess the only drawback is the softness of the Cokin filters. But if you are careful with them, they should last a long time, but then again, they don't cost much to replace.

I hope this has been at least somewhat helpful.

Arca

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Dec 21, 2013 14:41:07   #
CResQ Loc: Cobble Hill, BC
 
Just recently I spent an entire morning researching filter systems. I compared each of the Cokin systems, the pro's and cons. In the end I looked to the Lee system. From what I can find, the Lee filters are superior to Cokin but of course that is always subjective. One user reported that he had a problem with the Lee holder he had but again, that is subjective. It also appears there is a wider range of filters available in the Lee camp. The one thing that is common with all of the systems is they scratch very easily so the utmost care is paramount. I was armed with my B&H Photo catalogue when I carried out my research and now my wish list at B&H has a complete Lee Filters system in it which I shall be purchasing over time to replace my screw in filters. Cheers

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Dec 21, 2013 16:08:53   #
rappar Loc: Kingston Ontario
 
I have spent the last number of months trying to figure out what system to use. I had read reports on Cokin, Lee and Hitech. I spent a fair bit of time at the website below as filters are their specialty.

http://www.2filter.com

Based on the comparison between the Cokin and the Lee holders seen in the YouTube video posted earlier, I went with Cokin. While I purchased my system in Canada, it is identical to the system seen at B&H. I wanted the width provided by the Z-Pro system.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/387468-REG/Cokin_CU960_Z_Pro_U960_Pro_Graduated.html

Another brand of filters is from Hitech. However, after the review found below, I decided against the system they used to hold their filters. Nasim and the others at Photographiclife have been sited before on UHH and I think they do a fair review.

http://photographylife.com/reviews/hitech-100mm-modular-filter-holder

If you look at the site you will see that they seem to have had luck with the filters more than the system to hold the filters. However, another site I like found that recent Hitech filters have a distinct caste to them.

http://www.oopoomoo.com/2013/12/real-life-review-are-hitech-filters-any-good/

Based on what I have learned, I would have to say I will be replacing the Cokin Z-Pro filters with Lee as soon as I can. I also think the Singh-Ray filters seem to get excellent reviews until you read the following...

http://www.redbubble.com/people/peterh111/journal/4421304-the-ultimate-guide-to-neutral-density-filters

The author of the above post seemed to think they very expensive for what you got. He also, as far as I could find, provided the most detail on certain filters I could find anywhere.

Lastly, if you have the Nikon 14-24mm lens, you might want to check out the site below to see a rather impressive filter system for it...

http://www.wonderpana.com

Good luck with your decision, based on my research, it is not an easy choice to make.

Ron

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