Black & White vs Color In-Camera
Nov 30, 2013 11:41:56 #
TimS
Loc: GA
TimS wrote:
Agh young gwas-happah. You have to know why the "rules" are there so you know when it's OK to break them. High tonal contrast = good B&W image. High noon = real good tonal contrast.
I shot this at high noon.
Nov 30, 2013 11:45:28 #
TimS wrote:
Agh young gwas-happah. You have to know why the "rules" are there so you know when it's OK to break them. High tonal contrast = good B&W image. High noon = real good tonal contrast.
Been at it for 50 years so I know something about it. High noon in Iceland on Dec 23 is pretty dark. In Havana on June 22 you get no shadows.
Nov 30, 2013 11:47:12 #
TimS wrote:
I shot this at high noon.
That's not tone, it's texture. Not bad, but it isn't architecture either.
Nov 30, 2013 12:09:35 #
TimS
Loc: GA
selmslie wrote:
That's not tone, it's texture. Not bad, but it isn't architecture either.
That's the best I can do with photos I have on my iPhone :)
Nov 30, 2013 12:51:28 #
Nov 30, 2013 13:05:52 #
snapshot4619 wrote:
I turned the color image into BW using Onone software Perfect Suite 8.
snapshot4619,
Good try, and it works.
Have you compared your conversion to the original B&W I posted?
Without being biased, which one looks better to you?
That is what you may want to go with in B&W.
Michael G
Nov 30, 2013 13:12:09 #
Armadillo wrote:
LoneRangeFinder,
Both images I attached are downloadable, I did this specifically so members could have almost identical image files to work with. Anybody can download both files, and modify the color image to see how close, or better they can make a B&W conversion. Then they can measure how long it takes to convert the color image, and modify it to meet the B&W image.
Michael G
Both images I attached are downloadable, I did this specifically so members could have almost identical image files to work with. Anybody can download both files, and modify the color image to see how close, or better they can make a B&W conversion. Then they can measure how long it takes to convert the color image, and modify it to meet the B&W image.
Michael G
Thanks. I'm just enough of a "scientist" to try this at some point....
Nov 30, 2013 13:22:21 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Thanks. I'm just enough of a "scientist" to try this at some point....
LoneRangeFinder,
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Good luck, and waiting to see the results.
Michael G
Nov 30, 2013 15:17:10 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
I've heard the opposite: better to shoot in color so the tonal range can be adjusted by individual color. Here's a tutorial on this process.
http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/CS3Color_To_BWSM.mov
http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/CS3Color_To_BWSM.mov
This is true..shoot in camera b/w and your lose the ability to adjust the color channels, and converting later in pp is really very little work
Nov 30, 2013 15:22:23 #
Armadillo wrote:
LoneRangeFinder, br br I cannot argue with your p... (show quote)
ahhh, a b/w can be converted in seconds..you not talking hours
Nov 30, 2013 22:00:44 #
saichiez
Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
I get your primary point, which is to produce the image without a lot of PP fuss. To be honest, this is the part of photography that I enjoy the least-- perhaps because it draws up the smell of Dextol.
However, I'm not sure how this would be done if the visualized image required the manipulation of the tonal range of several different colors in the same image.
I'll think about this. I still have all of my old B&W filters, 80a to darken the blue in a sky, etc....
However, I'm not sure how this would be done if the visualized image required the manipulation of the tonal range of several different colors in the same image.
I'll think about this. I still have all of my old B&W filters, 80a to darken the blue in a sky, etc....
Interesting point you make here. I made up an attachment to my computer. When I am at my computer, the power supply heats up a liquid in the attachment that emits the aroma of Dextol. I am working now on patents for the device and a follow up of other chemical film processing aromas.
Nov 30, 2013 22:42:00 #
Dektol.
Dektol has virtually no smell. It's the acetic acid and hypo that choke you up.
Dektol has virtually no smell. It's the acetic acid and hypo that choke you up.
Nov 30, 2013 23:00:10 #
Armadillo wrote:
This topic is open for discussion, and the two att... (show quote)
Here's the color image, with the following changes:
1. Created a set of luminosity masks.
2. Duplicated the original onto a new layer, lightened the blues using Image -> Adjustments -> Black and White
3. Copied the Light channel from the luminosity masks and pasted it into a new layer
4. Added a layer mask and applied a gradient to it to alter the sky from dark at the top to light at the bottom
The result is a lot more contrast. There might be room for further changes, but this was a 5-minute job, or less.
Nov 30, 2013 23:11:11 #
RMM wrote:
Here's the color image, with the following changes... (show quote)
No contrast in sky-can hardly make out the clouds
2 mins channel mixer
Nov 30, 2013 23:28:44 #
nekon wrote:
No contrast in sky-can hardly make out the clouds
You're right. I said there was room for improvement. However, I'd ask whether the clouds were all that important in this image, bearing in mind that I was trying to boost the contrast.
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