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Nov 26, 2013 13:59:22   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
tainkc wrote:
This is a repeat program. But if it makes you feel any better, even Pawn Stars is a setup most of the time. Anyway, there is a sister program they run where some language expert explains that in the old testament that there is no mention of Jesus to be born of a virgin. She goes on to explain that the ancient Greeks wrote that Jesus is to be born of a "young girl", not necessarily a virgin. She also said that the ancient Greeks did not have a word for "virgin". This is true. She said that the scripture should be taken literally.

This is very untrue. One must take the "young girl" in it's surrounding context. In this case, it does mean "virgin". The ancient Greeks did not need a specific word for it. Everyone back then knew what was meant.

That right there put me off. Here we are with a supposed "expert" in ancient languages totally corrupting the truth. I stopped watching that program.

It should have noted that even in today's English, that there are many inferred meanings to a thought which everyone understands but we have no word for. Oh, well.
This is a repeat program. But if it makes you fee... (show quote)


Nicely stated! :thumbup:

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Nov 26, 2013 14:02:45   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
venturer9 wrote:
OK..I will ask of you the same as I have asked (without answers as of yet) Why do you feel the necessity to "Stir The Pot" ?

It is not that I mind the pot being stirred, since I believe what I believe and the stirring has no effect on my thinking...... BUT I just wonder why.

Having an open mind is to be able to change one's view when proof the opposite of that view come into being. The discussion here does not reach that level of knowledge.

As a Christian, I believe and hold to the simple words of the Bible, and no where in that word does it tell me that Christ was married...
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Crwiwy said in part....... Many people just get too intense when it comes to their religion (and forget that there are many other religions as well);)

Basically the reason a Christian gets intense is that his/her religionn is attacked by such as yourself... and you/they generally claim "Well I didn't say that to be nasty" but they do... se we react..... BUT could we compare it the the battles we see on the various forums on UHH as to whether Nikon or Canon is best.... Some of the rhetoric on these discussions could, I believe, result in blood shed if the participants were face to face... We all are passionate in what we believe and when we see it denigrated by others it rankles....

Mike
OK..I will ask of you the same as I have asked (wi... (show quote)


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Nov 26, 2013 14:03:51   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
crissx09 wrote:
I never mentioned that the bible may be corrupted because it was written by men. It was written by wise and good will men. Also, happen that the attacks against religious groups come generally from another religious groups or another religions.I never knew of non believers attacking religion...


Lucky for you Crissx09....I see it every day.

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Nov 26, 2013 14:07:42   #
gusto7670 Loc: Tampa, FL
 
Isn't it interesting that they can tell you what someone was thinking more than a couple of thousand years ago.
Most of the time, I don't remember what I was thinking a week ago.

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Nov 26, 2013 14:12:23   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
More mixing of facts with fiction - yep and they say you need to believe these guys on the pullet who pass this BS on as truth.
If "THEY" can pin point a fictitious day for the birth of Jesus - why not his death and the resurrection - just wondering?

A brief background on the reasons for the different dates of Easter

The early church debated whether or not to celebrate Easter on the same day of the month each year or on the Sunday following Passover. It was finally agreed to always keep it on a Sunday each year. The church fathers believed it was really only appropriate to celebrate Easter on a Sunday. The date was fixed by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 to be the Sunday after the Paschal, or Passover, moon after the vernal, or spring, equinox. This full moon occurs on or about March 21. One problem with this rule was the difference in the calendars used at that time, which caused some groups to celebrate Easter on different days. Three different calendars were used in Old Testament times and most were lunar calendars. Lunar calendars are based on the cycles of the moon, which change slightly each year. This makes calculating the exact time of the full moon and spring equinox, in advance, extremely difficult and time consuming.

The Orthodox church calculates it a little differently. One of the differences is that the full moon according to which the date of Western Easter is calculated is not a 'real' moon. It does not suffer the slight cyclical changes in the length of the month. It's a 'calendar' moon.

Orthodox Easter is calculated by the Julian calendar, which does not completely coordinate with the Gregorian calendar used by Western churches. The Julian calendar inserts a leap year every four years, which gets the calendar off one day per century. The Gregorian calendar skips a leap year once a century to remain accurate. Right now, the two calendars are almost two weeks apart. The Julian calendar goes back to the time of Julius Caesar. The Gregorian calendar was named after Pope Gregory XIII who, in 1582, set a group of scholarly monks to carry out a reworking of the calendar to bring all the calendars and particularly the date of Easter back in line with the astronomical equinox.

Unfortunately they did not seek the agreement of the Eastern Churches for their reworking of the calendar and the resulting changing of the date of Easter, and ever since then the Lord has had to endure a divided annual celebration of the Paschal Mystery of His death and resurrection

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Nov 26, 2013 14:27:06   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
jaymatt wrote:
I'e always been curious as to how Christmas stays on 12/25, but Easter jumps all over the spring calendar. I've heard all the moon stories, but they don't add up for me.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is principally about Lent in Western Christianity. For details about Lent in Orthodox Christianity, see Great Lent. For other uses see Lent (disambiguation).

Lent celebrants carrying out a street procession during Holy Week. The violet color is often associated with penance and detachment. Similar Christian penitential practice is seen in other Catholic countries, sometimes associated with mortification of the flesh. Granada, Nicaragua.Lent (Latin: Quadragesima) is a solemn observance in the liturgical year of many Christian denominations, lasting for a period of approximately six weeks leading up to Easter Sunday. In the general Latin-rite and most Western denominations Lent is taken to run from Ash Wednesday to Maundy Thursday (Holy Thursday) morning or to Easter Eve. In the Catholic Church, Lent lasts until Holy Thursday, while other denominations run until Easter Eve.

The traditional purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer through prayer, penance, repentance, almsgiving, and self-denial. Its institutional purpose is heightened in the annual commemoration of Holy Week, marking the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, which recalls the events of the Bible when Jesus is crucified on Good Friday, which then culminates in the celebration on Easter Sunday of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

During Lent, many of the faithful commit to fasting or giving up certain types of luxuries as a form of penitence. The Stations of the Cross, a devotional commemoration of Christ's carrying the Cross and of his execution, are often observed. Many Roman Catholic and some Protestant churches remove flowers from their altars, while crucifixes, religious statues, and other elaborate religious symbols are often veiled in violet fabrics in solemn observance of the event. In certain pious Catholic countries, some adherents mark the season with the traditional abstention from the consumption of meat. [1] In some countries, grand religious processions and cultural customs are observed, and the faithful attempt to visit seven churches during Holy Week in honor of Jesus Christ heading to Mount Calvary.

Lent is traditionally described as lasting for forty days, in commemoration of the forty days which, according to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus spent fasting in the desert before the beginning of his public ministry, where he endured temptation by the Devil.[2][3] However, different Christian denominations calculate the forty days of Lent differently. In most Western traditions the Sundays are not counted as part of Lent; thus the period from Ash Wednesday until Easter consists of 40 days when the Sundays are excluded. However in the Roman Catholic Church Lent is now taken to end on Holy Thursday rather than Easter Eve, and hence lasts 38 days excluding Sundays, or 44 days in total.

This event, along with its pious customs are observed by Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Anglicans.

By the way, Mardi Gras is on FAT Tuesday, the day before Lent begins. Welcome to New Orleans

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Nov 26, 2013 14:30:31   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
jcave wrote:
In reference to the original topic, there is at least one Christian religion that believes in a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father. I offer the lyrics of a popular hymn written in 1845 by Eliza Snow:

After discussing pre-mortal existence and a sense of belonging to "a more exalted sphere" in heaven, stanza three reasons that if there is an eternal Father there must also be an eternal Mother:

I had learned to call thee Father, Through thy Spirit from on high,
But until the key of knowledge Was restored, I knew not why.
In the heavens are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason, truth eternal Tells me I've a mother there.
In reference to the original topic, there is at le... (show quote)


I believe she was talking about her own mother. You believe there is at least one Christian religion that believes in a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father. What "Christian" religion would that be?

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Nov 26, 2013 14:57:30   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Cragzop wrote:
In your world, yes. Not in mine.


Cragzop wrote:
Laws of man are not metaphysical. I have seen the most "pious" of men create the most heinous atrocities all in the name of god. Remember, Socrates said "No man strives for evil." Hitler was not motivated by evil in his mind. As a christian he felt it was his obligation to wipe out those that were nonbelievers and blasphemers. Aye, there's the rub: Who's god is better? Is homosexuality, being a jew, etc., such atrocities against the will of god that they warrant extermination. As a christian i am sure you are familiar with the basic precept of hell. To me me there is nothing loving about a god who gives me "free will," let's me loose on the world, and then dooms me to an eternity of damnation.
As a parent (albeit a lousy one my ex-wife would say,) it is my responsibility, my duty as a parent to guide my children away from the burning stove despite their "free will." I would think your god would have a similar obligation, but my bet is on the fact that you believe (s)he doesn't because we have "free will." Hence the laws of man.
Laws of man are not metaphysical. I have seen the ... (show quote)


You have not seen the most "pious" of men create the most heinous atrocities all in the name of god but you have heard of them. Why do you say that Hitler was a Christian? Because someone told you that or that you had read it some place. You do not believe the bible to be the true word of God because you don't believe there is a God but yet, you will believe what someone else had wrote about a man who claims Hitler was a Christian. Hitler was not a Christian himself and had denounced Christianity just as you have done, yet , he did use the name of Christian to farther his agenda. In other words, keep the masses stupid of your actual intent. Hitler was a Socialist, Christianity did not fit into his agenda.
As for the free will of man, yes it is your responsibility, your duty as a parent to guide your children away from the burning stove despite their "free will." But in spite their free will they insist on returning to the stove to burn themselves, is that your fault? Either take away their free will or take away the stove. Your Judgment call. God gave you every thing you need to make it here on earth. He even gave you parents to teach you. He gave you a free will to act on your own to make your own decisions. Up to this point, you have gotten alone without him, haven't you? Do you truly need him to take your hand? Just ask him and he will... but no, you are to much of a man that you don't need God. You don't need Jesus to save you from yourself. You want to keep going back to that stove, time and time again.

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Nov 26, 2013 15:34:17   #
jbrown
 
Is her name Oprah?

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Nov 26, 2013 15:34:54   #
Fishinman Loc: CONUS
 
God is alive; and, She is upset.

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Nov 26, 2013 15:52:06   #
Cragzop Loc: NYC
 
Bangee5 wrote:
You have not seen the most "pious" of men create the most heinous atrocities all in the name of god but you have heard of them. Why do you say that Hitler was a Christian? Because someone told you that or that you had read it some place. You do not believe the bible to be the true word of God because you don't believe there is a God but yet, you will believe what someone else had wrote about a man who claims Hitler was a Christian. Hitler was not a Christian himself and had denounced Christianity just as you have done, yet , he did use the name of Christian to farther his agenda. In other words, keep the masses stupid of your actual intent. Hitler was a Socialist, Christianity did not fit into his agenda.
As for the free will of man, yes it is your responsibility, your duty as a parent to guide your children away from the burning stove despite their "free will." But in spite their free will they insist on returning to the stove to burn themselves, is that your fault? Either take away their free will or take away the stove. Your Judgment call. God gave you every thing you need to make it here on earth. He even gave you parents to teach you. He gave you a free will to act on your own to make your own decisions. Up to this point, you have gotten alone without him, haven't you? Do you truly need him to take your hand? Just ask him and he will... but no, you are to much of a man that you don't need God. You don't need Jesus to save you from yourself. You want to keep going back to that stove, time and time again.
You have not seen the most "pious" of me... (show quote)


Look, I respect your viewpoint but don't ascribe to it. For me, god and testosterone are a bad combination.

Look at the historical men of god: Cardinal Richelieu, various popes, whose behavior brought calamity and misery to millions. Mere men might be your response, susceptible to fallibility, yet they were in the hierarchy of the church, and if their free will brought death to millions, and their condoning of atrocities wiped out all kinds of people, why would god let the innocent suffer at the hands of his spiritual representatives here on earth?
Oh, wait, god works in mysterious ways....Well I can understand your arguing that Hitler wasn't a christian, yada, yada, but we know what hell was wrought here on earth by the princes of christ.

In the writings between Jung (a spiritual man) and Freud (an atheist) Jung asks Freud: "What will you do if there is a judgement day?" Freud responded "I will look around for the bone from a cancerous child, and I will hold it up to god and ask him why?"

You have the right to your delusions, just don't let them impact on mine.

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Nov 26, 2013 16:04:04   #
Zenith701 Loc: Southern California
 
Before coming to earth we were the literal spirit children of God the Father and our Heavenly Mother...thus we are all brothers and sisters. Jesus resurrection started the process of resurrection on this earth. Resurrection is the re uniting of spirit and body. God the Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct individuals with glorified bodies. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit. Now that's the truth

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Nov 26, 2013 17:36:15   #
jcave Loc: Cecilia, Kentucky
 
I can assure you that Eliza Snow was not talking about her own mother in that hymn. Most of the world with few exceptions would consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a Christian religion. They believe in the Bible, have faith in Jesus Christ as their redeemer and do much good in the world. They do respect your religious beliefs though they may differ in ways that you consider important, but then so do all Christian faiths differ in various ways from each other.

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Nov 26, 2013 17:51:35   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Is this from the writings of one of the "inspired" men of one of your own hallucinations???
Zenith701 wrote:
Before coming to earth we were the literal spirit children of God the Father and our Heavenly Mother...thus we are all brothers and sisters. Jesus resurrection started the process of resurrection on this earth. Resurrection is the re uniting of spirit and body. God the Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct individuals with glorified bodies. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit. Now that's the truth

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Nov 26, 2013 18:25:42   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
Actually the Bible does reveal that God has a wife;

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion. Jeremiah 3:14

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.Jeremiah 31-32

Israel is spoken of as God's wife, this shows the very special relationship God has with Israel. It is evident that this relationship is not on a human sexual level but how He looks after His chosen people

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