street photography gone wrong yesterday - thoughts?
Nov 19, 2013 10:48:22 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Make your own laws, create your own understanding of these laws and get on with your life.
Use my picture or my likeness w/o my knowledge and/or consent and I will get your last cent, simple as that.
Use my picture or my likeness w/o my knowledge and/or consent and I will get your last cent, simple as that.
Since you post a picture of yourself as your avatar, I guess you don't much care about privacy.
Nov 19, 2013 10:56:12 #
Thanks Mason
There is absolutely no 'expectation of privacy' if you are in public place. Whether for personal use or to print in a newspaper is just fine. I carry my camera(s) everywhere and use a normal and telephoto lens, have only gotten a couple of sneering looks. I remember the golden rule, treat those you are photographing the way you would want to be treated if they were photographing you.
You might consider that if you have a camera aimed out of the window of a car at someone, they might think its a gun, and pull out their own weapon and shoot back.
One incident that was fatal: war zone, helicopters in the air. one photographer leaned around the corner of a building and aimed his camera up at one to get a picture. They thought he had a weapon and fired on him and killed him.
Be smart, don't try to be sneaky, be courteous. and if the cops accuse you of taking pictures for a terrorist group like they did to me at a parking garage one time, its good to know your legal rights.
Take their pictures, ask for and write down their names, refuse to let them look at the pictures or take your camera or film card, refuse to delete any images, ask if you are being detained, if they say no...then leave. If they ask to search you or your vehicle say NO. If you grant permission then its a whole new ball game.
There is absolutely no 'expectation of privacy' if you are in public place. Whether for personal use or to print in a newspaper is just fine. I carry my camera(s) everywhere and use a normal and telephoto lens, have only gotten a couple of sneering looks. I remember the golden rule, treat those you are photographing the way you would want to be treated if they were photographing you.
You might consider that if you have a camera aimed out of the window of a car at someone, they might think its a gun, and pull out their own weapon and shoot back.
One incident that was fatal: war zone, helicopters in the air. one photographer leaned around the corner of a building and aimed his camera up at one to get a picture. They thought he had a weapon and fired on him and killed him.
Be smart, don't try to be sneaky, be courteous. and if the cops accuse you of taking pictures for a terrorist group like they did to me at a parking garage one time, its good to know your legal rights.
Take their pictures, ask for and write down their names, refuse to let them look at the pictures or take your camera or film card, refuse to delete any images, ask if you are being detained, if they say no...then leave. If they ask to search you or your vehicle say NO. If you grant permission then its a whole new ball game.
Nov 19, 2013 11:04:11 #
[quote=Blue Spark]
So was my mistake to take the picture and then try for another or to have even taken the pic without permission first? I am thinking I should have taken my first pic and then just rolled up the window.
Despite this, I am going to continue to try and shoot people on the street. I just need some realistic advice.
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Below, please find a couple of hours worth of advice from acclaimed masters of street photography on all aspects from photographers rights through all manner of techniques. Produced by The B&H Photo Event Space.
Enjoy!
HERSHEL
Watch Your Back! Photographers' Rights in the 21st Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDCIqOCDdM
How to Talk to Strangers: 7 Tips For Photographing People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJHfT7lYqCo
Street Photography: NYC Above and Below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSD_SpUZw9E
Street Photography with Mel DiGiacomo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHRoOMZjoE0
Street Photography - More Than Just A Snapshot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6nLUG0_EJI
So was my mistake to take the picture and then try for another or to have even taken the pic without permission first? I am thinking I should have taken my first pic and then just rolled up the window.
Despite this, I am going to continue to try and shoot people on the street. I just need some realistic advice.
quote]
Below, please find a couple of hours worth of advice from acclaimed masters of street photography on all aspects from photographers rights through all manner of techniques. Produced by The B&H Photo Event Space.
Enjoy!
HERSHEL
Watch Your Back! Photographers' Rights in the 21st Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDCIqOCDdM
How to Talk to Strangers: 7 Tips For Photographing People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJHfT7lYqCo
Street Photography: NYC Above and Below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSD_SpUZw9E
Street Photography with Mel DiGiacomo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHRoOMZjoE0
Street Photography - More Than Just A Snapshot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6nLUG0_EJI
Nov 19, 2013 11:07:35 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Try do do it with my picture and you will see, anytime, anywhere, for any purpose.
Even for a pro doing portraits or event coverage a release that 'frees the photographer' is needed. The release transfers the responsibility of taking and using pictures to a bride and groom by example.
Even for a pro doing portraits or event coverage a release that 'frees the photographer' is needed. The release transfers the responsibility of taking and using pictures to a bride and groom by example.
Total BS. rpavich is right. Anyone in public is fair game. Releases are needed only for advertising and the like. If it's "art," you can print it, sell it, post it, etc.
Nov 19, 2013 11:14:50 #
rpavich wrote:
Actually that's not completely true either.
You CAN make a profit..you can sell things with their image and likeness like a book or card, or photo itself...and you can do it at a profit.
What you can't do is use it to advertise a service or product.
that's it.
You CAN make a profit..you can sell things with their image and likeness like a book or card, or photo itself...and you can do it at a profit.
What you can't do is use it to advertise a service or product.
that's it.
Absolutely right. Releases are intended to protect the publisher of advertising, not necessarily the photographer.
Nov 19, 2013 11:16:16 #
Why did you fuel her anger by saying what you did. I would have simply stated I was taking photos of buildings along the street and taken her out of the intent. Your comment sure sounds like a cheesy pick up line and puts you in her cross hairs. Now this may be mute if you were using a 500 mm tele sticking 2' out the window and aimed right at her.
When I shoot street I always make it look like I'm focusing on some background element and 9 times out of 10 they simply carry on. The 1 usually strikes a pose and a big smile and I oblige them. You need to make it seem that they are just serendipity and not the subjects of your (photographic) desire.
When I shoot street I always make it look like I'm focusing on some background element and 9 times out of 10 they simply carry on. The 1 usually strikes a pose and a big smile and I oblige them. You need to make it seem that they are just serendipity and not the subjects of your (photographic) desire.
Blue Spark wrote:
I told her I thought she looked nice and wanted to take a picture, ....
Nov 19, 2013 11:16:22 #
Rongnongno wrote:
Make your own laws, create your own understanding of these laws and get on with your life.
Use my picture or my likeness w/o my knowledge and/or consent and I will get your last cent, simple as that.
Use my picture or my likeness w/o my knowledge and/or consent and I will get your last cent, simple as that.
Hah! Not a chance!
Nov 19, 2013 11:17:59 #
I love this conversation thread. As someone who is trying to develop an eye for lighting and interesting subjects I will often have camera in hand. At our State Fair last summer I was wandering the horse barn and snapping random photos. I saw this young woman either waiting for a competitive event of just finished. What I liked was the soft light and warm feel. But, I've never shown the photo because I didn't know if I should have asked permission to take it. Is she a minor? I don't know. Or how about the two guys loading the steer? Their image is clear, do I have a right to use it? Thoughts?
jim quist wrote:
Thanks Mason br There is absolutely no 'expectatio... (show quote)
MN State Fair
A lot of beef steak
Nov 19, 2013 11:19:51 #
Effate
Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
DOplinger wrote:
I always try to be mindful of others' wishes, and ... (show quote)
Private property in and of itself is not the issue. It's where the fourth amendment would extend you the reasonable right to privacy. If you are standing in your front yard and I could see and shoot from a public place, you are fair game. If I had to come onto your property, peer over your six foot fence and shoot through your window into the interior of your house... different story as you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Nov 19, 2013 11:21:31 #
Nov 19, 2013 11:30:13 #
boberic wrote:
When people are out in public I believe it's ok to photograph them. The only problem is publishing the photo without their permission
Ever seen a news photographer ask permission or get a release? Not necessary and not done. Rights to publish are not exclusive to newspapers or magazines. Everyone in the U.S. has those rights.
Nov 19, 2013 11:37:39 #
Blue Spark wrote:
A big THANK YOU for all the great responses to my ... (show quote)
I'm kind of taken aback about your one comment:
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And, I will shoot .raw and .jpeg as suggested so that I might demonstrate I have deleted a photo if I get another objection. (and still have a copy...)
while I am a photographer and I totally understand the love, passion and possessive feeling we get over our art, I am kind of shocked that if someone felt threatened enough to ask you to please delete the image you would deceive them in such a manner. This is one reason street photographers get a bad rap.
Nov 19, 2013 11:38:34 #
[quote=Mason Jar]Funny, there are as many incorrect answers in this as there are areas of geography or political influence.
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Funny too - this is another one!!!
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Funny too - this is another one!!!
Nov 19, 2013 11:53:04 #
antlertwo
Loc: Ballston Spa, New York
I am just curious, not that I am judging, why would anyone want to take pictures of strangers? What do you do with the photographs without a model release? I have never done that, not that it is wrong. Just curious
Nov 19, 2013 11:53:37 #
Blue Spark wrote:
I travel with my camera a good bit and am wanting ... (show quote)
The first thought to keep in mind is not to be so obvious with it. Don't ambush people.
Perhaps she thought she was about to be the victim of a different type of drive by. She very well could have responded in a different way, her gun.
Always show respect for your intended subject.
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