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Nov 18, 2013 17:45:52   #
rnichols
 
I agree with you, I learned photography the hard way, used Nikon cameras and Lens, been published (in a phone book) had a nice little wedding business for a long time that kept me busy, I was one of the few photographers that did weddings with a 35mm camera. I had a medium format but found I could do just fine with a 35mm. And you are right only 3 dials but you had to learn how to use them. I just cannot get into the digital format, I have a Pentax DSLR, does just fine but I hate dancing through all of the menus. Maybe because I am almost 70 years old.

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Nov 18, 2013 17:47:25   #
rnichols
 
The great ones did.

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Nov 18, 2013 18:00:43   #
starShoot
 
TheDman wrote:
To the best photographers Photoshop isn't for fixing mistakes, it's for elevating your photos higher than your camera ever could.


Absolutely wonderful statement. That is also exactly the way that Ansel Adams used film development and printing techniques. Start with the best image possible and then use PP to improve it.

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Nov 18, 2013 18:05:08   #
WAL
 
I feel that eventually it will all be for the best. For now it feels like a few steps forward and a few steps back. Vie been I have few restaurants that have menus that are too long. When you start seeing instruction books getting into three and four hundred pages of poor design it’s time to step back. The technology is out pacing our ability to absorb it.

The manufactures have taken advantage of the complexity by creating confusion when it benefits them. There was a time when Nikon came out with cameras that where numbered I 2 3 4 etc. Now it’s not so simple.

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Nov 18, 2013 18:21:07   #
David Taylor
 
charles brown wrote:
Just read a thread whereas someone wanted a camera whose functions were controlled by dials and buttons, not menus. Had a budget of $500. As you can guess there really wasn't much of a choice. This, however, got me to thinking. It wasn't that long ago that SLR cameras had three basic controls, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture. In some cases there was a dial that could be used to change exposure + or -. Absolutely amazing photos were made with these cameras. Today we have digital SLRs with dozens of settings to chose from and change. These cameras are also being used to produce amazing photographs. But, IMHO, I contend that while they are equal to they are not any better than what was done before. The real difference and game changer is in PP, not in the product produced by the camera. Then why do we need cameras with so many adjustable functions that for most people are never used let alone understood? Do we really need to have the ability to change dozens upon dozens of camera settings or is this just one more example of manufacturers marketing strategies to keep us buying more and more cameras? A manual only digital SLR camera with four adjustable settings, ISO, shutter speed, aperture and file type (raw or JPEG). Everything else done in PP. What do you think?
Just read a thread whereas someone wanted a camera... (show quote)

Nikon DF.

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Nov 18, 2013 18:31:43   #
DrPhrogg Loc: NJ
 
Like every other tool, it can only do what the artist tells it. If the ability of the photographer is less than the capability of the camera, it doesn't matter. When you discover that the camera cannot do what you want to accomplish, it is time to move up. Until then, why spend money on tools that you don't use?

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Nov 18, 2013 19:41:54   #
RON 11 Loc: Pittsburgh
 
Yes we are

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Nov 18, 2013 19:59:22   #
WAL
 
There are still a good number of Photographers who continue to us large format cameras. 11x14 and even larger.They obviously feel they can't get the results they want with digital. I have a full frame canon and I still don't feel I get what 4x5 proffduced. The ease of digital photography is just too powerful. I wont be returning to the darkroom.

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Nov 18, 2013 20:06:56   #
JC56 Loc: Lake St.Louis mo.
 
take good photos from the start........then you don't have to perform plastic surgery on a baby... I may be wrong but that's my opinion....and opinions are like exhaust pipes....everyone has one.

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Nov 18, 2013 20:11:42   #
WAL
 
35 mm cameras where better. 35 mm film was inferior to 2 1/4, the improvement was obvious in a good print. I have used Kodak Tech Pan in 35 mm with surprising results in detail. It still didn't that tactile sense I got from 2 1/2.

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Nov 18, 2013 20:27:30   #
pauleveritt Loc: Erie, Colorado
 
A BETTER Camera DOES NOT make you a better photographer!

Here is what I tell people. Tiger Woods and I have ONE thing in common: we both own a set of golf clubs. I can get the MOST perfect set of clubs that could be custom tailored to me. Tiger goes and gets a set up clubs from the Thift Store, $1 per club barrel. We play each other. Are you going to bet that I will win? Not likely.

Being able to USE the equipment is what makes the difference. Unless there is a major defect in your equipment, oil spots on the sensor, it is YOUR skill that determines the outcome.

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Nov 18, 2013 20:31:42   #
hustlerb58 Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
I worked for General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin for 36 years in the graphics department so I had to make my living with photography, both editing photos and directing photographers for product shots. Believe me. the digital age saved many a shot. You must remember you are recording data that you can manipulate later in post processing. I remember when the first digital cameras came out they were expensive (27K) and not worth a good boat anchor. At first I thought they was no future for the digital camera but then they went from 4meg to now 47 and what I can do now in one evening would have taken weeks to assemble and retouch a graphic.......Thank You Apple!

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Nov 18, 2013 20:54:31   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Henri Matisse said it best. "Much of the beauty that arises in art comes from the struggle that an artist wages with his limited medium". To struggle with the medium, is inherent to the process of art, and a catalyst for creativity.

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Nov 18, 2013 21:29:34   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
I think you have a good point. I have the advanced Nikon D5200 and am still chasing that perfect photo and I think back to my old Pentax film days taking slides in the Southwest United States, of the Rockies and deserts, etc., and I can honestly say they were as good as any I have ever taken. You could put a color slide in a projector and project it to cover a large screen that was like 40x60 and they looked great. Nowadays with all our megapixels we are still talking 8x10, 11x17 or maybe 16x20. And the color was beautiful, no PP needed. But here I sit in front of my computer with various software programs making adjustments and I have to admit I am in love with it too. I guess I just like making pictures, but nowadays you can really get into the innards yourself instead of sending it to a lab to develop.
charles brown wrote:
Just read a thread whereas someone wanted a camera whose functions were controlled by dials and buttons, not menus. Had a budget of $500. As you can guess there really wasn't much of a choice. This, however, got me to thinking. It wasn't that long ago that SLR cameras had three basic controls, ISO, shutter speed, and aperture. In some cases there was a dial that could be used to change exposure + or -. Absolutely amazing photos were made with these cameras. Today we have digital SLRs with dozens of settings to chose from and change. These cameras are also being used to produce amazing photographs. But, IMHO, I contend that while they are equal to they are not any better than what was done before. The real difference and game changer is in PP, not in the product produced by the camera. Then why do we need cameras with so many adjustable functions that for most people are never used let alone understood? Do we really need to have the ability to change dozens upon dozens of camera settings or is this just one more example of manufacturers marketing strategies to keep us buying more and more cameras? A manual only digital SLR camera with four adjustable settings, ISO, shutter speed, aperture and file type (raw or JPEG). Everything else done in PP. What do you think?
Just read a thread whereas someone wanted a camera... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2013 21:31:32   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
^^^For Matisse... ;)

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