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Nov 15, 2013 10:01:23   #
texased42 Loc: Houston, Texas
 
Nightski wrote:
I think I know where I stand, until someone comes along and proves me absolutely wrong. While I have some pretty strong opinions, I am always open to seeing things from another persons point of view. St3v3M just laid out some new thoughts for me on the response I posted. I have the deepest respect for him, and I am going to consider every word he said. Especially the part about smelling the roses. I am so completely on task all the time, I very much forget to do just that.

That being said, how others react to my images is a very important thing to me. It's the way I convey my message, my




emotions about a time and place, and if nobody gets it, then I


have more work to do.
I think I know where I stand, until someone comes ... (show quote)


I agree and it times for another BEER.... well said

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Nov 15, 2013 10:06:23   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Nightski wrote:
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry.

I think you have to be careful who you listen to. Follow threads, and watch what someone posts before listening to advice. Make sure the person has the technical chops, and can produce a great photograph before eating up every word he/she says.

I am never completely happy with anything I shoot. Even the few shots I have in my archives that are pretty good, I know what their flaws are.

If you are happy with everything you do, how do you improve? Without self critique how do you gain new skills?
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry. ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I have always shot this way, and one can always be improving.

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Nov 15, 2013 10:22:20   #
Kanonmeister Loc: Los Angeles
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A great deal of photography is art, so agreement will be impossible. In the technical areas, we get correct answers and wrong answers, so we have to sort the good from the bad.

I wonder if doctors have a forum like this, where they ask questions and get wrong answers. I hope not. :D


"I wonder if doctors have a forum like this, where they ask questions and get wrong answers. I hope not."

Of course they do. Grand Rounds in teaching hospitals deal with how to treat patients and correct mistakes in a treatment path or regimen.

A patient once bounced off the roof of the library. Jumped from the psychiatric unit on the ninth floor. Someone gave a wrong answer whether screens or bars should be provided on those windows.

In a hospital I worked in, "Please send the Green Gurtney to five west "stat!" Generally meant something went wrong. The patient died. Various departments meet regularly to discuss how a death or course of could have been modified. Correcting the wrong answers.

The programs "House:" and "Grey's Anatomy", though dramatizations, sometimes portray the treatment/medical learning process quite accurately.

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Nov 15, 2013 10:29:27   #
Nightski
 
Kanonmeister wrote:
"I wonder if doctors have a forum like this, where they ask questions and get wrong answers. I hope not."

Of course they do. Grand Rounds in teaching hospitals deal with how to treat patients and correct mistakes in a treatment path or regimen.

A patient once bounced off the roof of the library. Jumped from the psychiatric unit on the ninth floor. Someone gave a wrong answer whether screens or bars should be provided on those windows.

In a hospital I worked in, "Please send the Green Gurtney to five west "stat!" Generally meant something went wrong. The patient died. Various departments meet regularly to discuss how a death or course of could have been modified. Correcting the wrong answers.

The programs "House:" and "Grey's Anatomy", though dramatizations, sometimes portray the treatment/medical learning process quite accurately.
"I wonder if doctors have a forum like this, ... (show quote)


Well, this just puts it all in perspective for us... doesn't it? :D :D :D

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Nov 15, 2013 11:10:00   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
larrywilk wrote:
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a year and have benefited immensely from the information and knowledge presented here. I have been taking pictures for over fifty years but MAKING pictures for only the last few.

I would like to offer my insight on what I have learned.

You, and only you, need be happy with your image - unless you are selling it.

Advice will run the gamut of Work The Shot to analyze and take only the shot you need.

We have Rules - but you need not necessarily follow them.

Everything should be done in camera. What photo Editing Program do you use?

Use the Histogram for exposure - the Histogram is useless.

Be sure to make thirty backups of your images, you never know when a hard drive may fail.

That question has already been asked! I only joined this morning.

And, God forbid, Never, Never, Never ever post an image with a crooked horizon!

Folks, I say this with tongue in cheek, so please don't get upset. I am making fun of myself as well.

There is so much contradictory information out there that some photographers proclaim as gospel while others insist the opposite is true, we often confuse the Newbie with our replies to the original query.

Now I am not saying either group is right or wrong, I am suggesting to our neophyte photographer that there is only one correct way to do it...your way!

Try all these different methods. Give them an honest try and then use what works for you. Each image we post is a statement of how we view something. It is your image and often it is "not quite" what we are trying to say but over time our skill level will rise enough to more closely resemble what we wish to convey.

Meanwhile have fun!

Larry Wilkerson
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a y... (show quote)


Very well put Larry.

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Nov 15, 2013 14:57:22   #
Ted Liette Loc: Greenville, Ohio
 
Nightski wrote:
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry.

I think you have to be careful who you listen to. Follow threads, and watch what someone posts before listening to advice. Make sure the person has the technical chops, and can produce a great photograph before eating up every word he/she says.

I am never completely happy with anything I shoot. Even the few shots I have in my archives that are pretty good, I know what their flaws are.



If you are happy with everything you do, how do you improve? Without self critique how do you gain new skills?
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry. ... (show quote)


I have to agree with Nightski, I'm my worse critic too. I feel that if I wasn't, I wouldn't be able to strive to be better and better with my camera, and to me that's the fun part of photography.
As for advice, I love to read everyone's opinions and decide for myself if I want to or not want to try the advice. I've found one of the popular subjects to be whether or not to use a UV filter and the pros and cons of using one.

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Nov 15, 2013 15:49:01   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2013 16:15:55   #
ssohl Loc: NJ
 
Good advice. Thanks.

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Nov 15, 2013 16:53:53   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
larrywilk wrote:
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a year and have benefited immensely from the information and knowledge presented here. I have been taking pictures for over fifty years but MAKING pictures for only the last few.

I would like to offer my insight on what I have learned.

You, and only you, need be happy with your image - unless you are selling it.

Advice will run the gamut of Work The Shot to analyze and take only the shot you need.

We have Rules - but you need not necessarily follow them.

Everything should be done in camera. What photo Editing Program do you use?

Use the Histogram for exposure - the Histogram is useless.

Be sure to make thirty backups of your images, you never know when a hard drive may fail.

That question has already been asked! I only joined this morning.

And, God forbid, Never, Never, Never ever post an image with a crooked horizon!

Folks, I say this with tongue in cheek, so please don't get upset. I am making fun of myself as well.

There is so much contradictory information out there that some photographers proclaim as gospel while others insist the opposite is true, we often confuse the Newbie with our replies to the original query.

Now I am not saying either group is right or wrong, I am suggesting to our neophyte photographer that there is only one correct way to do it...your way!

Try all these different methods. Give them an honest try and then use what works for you. Each image we post is a statement of how we view something. It is your image and often it is "not quite" what we are trying to say but over time our skill level will rise enough to more closely resemble what we wish to convey.

Meanwhile have fun!

Larry Wilkerson
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a y... (show quote)


You left out the poor newbie who wanders in the "General Chit-Chat" area and asks "What does this have to do with photography?" :roll: :lol: :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2013 18:38:27   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
Well I have to chime in too.:) I have learned a lot, made some good friends and most of all improved my hobby. Do I take everything I read here as written in stone? No. And I don't think many do. Will I try something new to see if it works.Yes. But I think every shot I take of little Harrison is the most awesome shot I have done! That is till the next one.:):) Having fun with the hobby is the main thing. Improving as you go is just part of the whole picture.
Erv

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Nov 15, 2013 23:51:43   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Erv wrote:
Well I have to chime in too.:) I have learned a lot, made some good friends and most of all improved my hobby. Do I take everything I read here as written in stone? No. And I don't think many do. Will I try something new to see if it works.Yes. But I think every shot I take of little Harrison is the most awesome shot I have done! That is till the next one.:):) Having fun with the hobby is the main thing. Improving as you go is just part of the whole picture.
Erv


Come on Erv, with a subject like little Harrison you can't go wrong, he is precious!

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Nov 16, 2013 02:44:16   #
Marc-Wi Loc: Oshkosh Wi
 
Nightski wrote:
I think I know where I stand, until someone comes along and proves me absolutely wrong. While I have some pretty strong opinions, I am always open to seeing things from another persons point of view. St3v3M just laid out some new thoughts for me on the response I posted. I have the deepest respect for him, and I am going to consider every word he said. Especially the part about smelling the roses. I am so completely on task all the time, I very much forget to do just that.

That being said, how others react to my images is a very important thing to me. It's the way I convey my message, my emotions about a time and place, and if nobody gets it, then I have more work to do.
I think I know where I stand, until someone comes ... (show quote)


Emotions are a very personal thing, Nightski, perhaps there are some photos that only you should "get". Perhaps only you should see, depending on how personal and private they are. And those may not be technically perfect but close to the heart.

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Nov 16, 2013 10:12:49   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
Thanks!:) I do love this site. So many good folks hang out here. And yes some not so nice. But that is what families are made of. We have to be our selfs all the time!
Erv

UP-2-IT wrote:
Come on Erv, with a subject like little Harrison you can't go wrong, he is precious!

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Nov 16, 2013 11:12:09   #
wannabe Loc: Baton Rouge Louisiana
 
larrywilk wrote:
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a year and have benefited immensely from the information and knowledge presented here. I have been taking pictures for over fifty years but MAKING pictures for only the last few.

I would like to offer my insight on what I have learned.

You, and only you, need be happy with your image - unless you are selling it.

Advice will run the gamut of Work The Shot to analyze and take only the shot you need.

We have Rules - but you need not necessarily follow them.

Everything should be done in camera. What photo Editing Program do you use?

Use the Histogram for exposure - the Histogram is useless.

Be sure to make thirty backups of your images, you never know when a hard drive may fail.

That question has already been asked! I only joined this morning.

And, God forbid, Never, Never, Never ever post an image with a crooked horizon!

Folks, I say this with tongue in cheek, so please don't get upset. I am making fun of myself as well.

There is so much contradictory information out there that some photographers proclaim as gospel while others insist the opposite is true, we often confuse the Newbie with our replies to the original query.

Now I am not saying either group is right or wrong, I am suggesting to our neophyte photographer that there is only one correct way to do it...your way!

Try all these different methods. Give them an honest try and then use what works for you. Each image we post is a statement of how we view something. It is your image and often it is "not quite" what we are trying to say but over time our skill level will rise enough to more closely resemble what we wish to convey.

Meanwhile have fun!

Larry Wilkerson
I have been on this wonderful forum for nearly a y... (show quote)


Hi Larry and thanks for this post.

After reading through the whole thread I must say I agree with most of what you said, but the key sentence (Meanwhile have fun!). I have learned a lot on UHH about the technical side of photography and also the fun side. I don't do a lot of critiquing/posting pics, due to I feel I do not have the experience level to tell someone what they did right or wrong with a photo. I will say something if they ask something specific and I know the answer but other that that I let the pros handle it. I do not have a link for anyone to look at because for now IMO I am not at a skill level for me to waste my time with it, hence the name wannabe.
I do agree with some of the post here that I am my own worst critic and when I post something looking for feed back it helps me learn. Some on here may not always give positive critique and are harsh but that does not bother me. Having said that it does hamper others who were just looking for a little help/advise. Some people can handle harsh some cannot. I have always tried to learn from my mistakes as well as others mistakes. To me that is how you learn not no make them, and get better.

I do agree that everyone will do things a little different than others. What works for me may not work for others. As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Figure out which works best for you and roll with it.

And on that note I do use the histogram sorry!!! LOL
Have fun and SHOOT, SHOOT, and then SHOOT it again!!

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Nov 16, 2013 11:26:46   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Nightski wrote:
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry.

I think you have to be careful who you listen to. Follow threads, and watch what someone posts before listening to advice. Make sure the person has the technical chops, and can produce a great photograph before eating up every word he/she says.

I am never completely happy with anything I shoot. Even the few shots I have in my archives that are pretty good, I know what their flaws are.

If you are happy with everything you do, how do you improve? Without self critique how do you gain new skills?
I have to be honest. I completely disagree Larry. ... (show quote)


I tend to agree with what you say except that part about posting a great photograph. Does one have to write the great American novel to be eligible to teach English literature, writing, etc. Does one have to have their artwork displayed in a gallery or museum before they can teach? I think that there are many basic and advanced skills that a competent photographer must know in order to become proficient at their craft. I suspect that there are, like myself, people who are very knowledgeable about the technical/scientific part of photography but who are not that good when it comes to the art of photography. IMHO it is up to each person seeking information on UHH to conduct their own independent research to verify that what they have been told is correct. The problem lies in the fact that it appears that way to many newbies don't want to make the effort and are content to limit their learning experience to this forum.

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