royal marine convicted of murder
Nov 14, 2013 19:16:25 #
Bangee5 wrote:
I agree Wellhiem, but someone else may not. Break ... (show quote)
Bangee, My Lai is an entirely different situation. My Lai villagers were not combatants for one thing. Many innocents were killed there purely out of blood lust and suspicion.
Nov 14, 2013 19:22:47 #
mikegreenwald
Loc: Illinois
One Rude Dawg wrote:
The greater the distance is when you kill someone, the more socially acceptable it seems. Kill hundreds with a missile thatÂ’s not to bad, kill one man with your bare hands you are a brute.
WOW!!! Well said.
Nov 14, 2013 19:27:51 #
SteveR wrote:
Bangee, My Lai is an entirely different situation. My Lai villagers were not combatants for one thing. Many innocents were killed there purely out of blood lust and suspicion.
No different than a wounded combatant lying helpless along side a road near death. Same-Same, papa son. Neither could defend themselves.
Nov 14, 2013 19:33:14 #
wuzfuzzab
Loc: Red Deer, Alberta
nippy norman wrote:
We have a situation in afghanistan Where heavy fig... (show quote)
A Canadian Capt. did the same for dirtbag who was not saveable. Pleaded he was being merciful. Was backed by everyone except for a Corporal whom he had disciplined--was reduced to 2nd Lt.---can't remember if booted or not. Rules of engagement are made by p.c.,ass kissing, my career is all that counts, staff officers and the faint of heart politicians. Best way to win a war is to kill all the enemy. We need a modern version of Patton, MacArthur, Puller, Montgomery, Simonds, etc etc.
Nov 14, 2013 19:55:25 #
sirlensalot
Loc: Arizona
lateron wrote:
Please note: my remarks were in response to a post by our Australian friends, and NOT a general observation on this particular situation. The Serviceman is good enough to squeeze the trigger on behalf of those who sit in judgement. The Royals should NOT have faced trial for their actions.
Duly noted and agreed upon. Just pointing out similar things have happened here as well.
Nov 14, 2013 23:47:33 #
magicray wrote:
Many wounded were found out too late to be quite deadly. It's like the American GI's that were prosecuted for peeing on the dead bodies of Al Qaeda animals. What would you do if you just saw your best friend's head get blown off. Don't judge unless you have walked in their boots. Dumbass political creatons putting public image before reality, honor and bravery. War IS hell. They probably never heard of that sitting in their office chair and pushing that paper.
Good Grief, I'm agreeing with YOU??! Lol! Ya got this totally right.
Nov 15, 2013 02:02:52 #
Canonuser
Loc: UK and South Africa
I'm sure all you guys who support what this Marine did, also support the exact same action by the Nazi troops in France in the second World War, who did exactly the same to defenceless British soldiers.
Nov 15, 2013 02:20:10 #
Nov 15, 2013 04:42:39 #
rayford2
Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
Bangee5 wrote:
There are Rules of Engagement. Do not fire unless fired upon could be the most stupid rule of all. But to put a bullet into the head of a wounded enemy combatant is murder. I don't care whose side you are fighting on. The enemy combatant should have been taken as a prisoner of war. That are the rules.
Tell that to a WW2 combat veteran.
Nov 15, 2013 04:46:27 #
Nov 15, 2013 05:09:29 #
Look Bangee, the Taliban are merciless killers.Remember, they shot a young girl-her crime? Going to school.They captured soldiers, decapitated them and hung up body parts to taunt British soldiers.There are many soldiers who have limbs blown off by their hidden explosive charges.They show no mercy nor do they expect any.There are not many POWs, they don't surrender but fight to the death.
Soldiers by their nature are not angels, they kill and expect to be killed.The Marines in this case had lost many men, had seen their body parts hung up as the Taliban jeered.
Come on. Would you have shot that Taliban. I most certainly would.Probably did him a favour, he was in agony.
Soldiers by their nature are not angels, they kill and expect to be killed.The Marines in this case had lost many men, had seen their body parts hung up as the Taliban jeered.
Come on. Would you have shot that Taliban. I most certainly would.Probably did him a favour, he was in agony.
Nov 15, 2013 09:17:37 #
rayford2 wrote:
Tell that to a WW2 combat veteran.
I can tell it to anyone. Humanity does not stay at home. Murder in war brings nightmares and guilt. To kill in defense of ones self is one thing but to kill inhumanly is cruel. You are taking the life of a fellow human without mercy and that makes you less of a human. Don't give me that war is war and it is kill or be killed, that is a given, but to kill an unarmed, wounded and helpless combatant is pure murder and you have only yourself to live with.
Nov 15, 2013 09:29:49 #
viscountdriver wrote:
Look Bangee, the Taliban are merciless killers.Rem... (show quote)
I am not saying that they the Taliban is right and we are wrong. I am saying it is not an Eye for Eye and a Tooth for a Tooth. When you become as the enemy you have lost control and whats more, you have lost your own humanity. We are not the Taliban. We are above their mentality. We should be civilized in the way we live and yes, fight.
Somehow you guys have lost sight of the realities of war. That Royal Marine committed murder out right because it was war. It is no different than living at home in Liverpool, walking up to a drunken homeless man lying in a gutter an putting a bullet in to his head. It is the same.
Nov 15, 2013 10:55:09 #
Bangee5, you are beating a dead horse. Just close the stable door, and thank God that you are not on a battle field somewhere having to make that decision.
Bangee5 wrote:
I am not saying that they the Taliban is right and... (show quote)
Nov 15, 2013 11:04:50 #
Bangee5 wrote:
I am not saying that they the Taliban is right and... (show quote)
It is a damn shame that you weren't with the Royal Marines that ugly day, or any other ugly day they had to endure. But then you would have missed your warm easy chair, hot meals on your fine china, your warm bath, and so many other comforts that allow you to make your ethics so heart felt and wise.
I assure you the view is different there then you have. Bless those who are willing to risk their lives for you, and try to understand what they are experiencing.
I will neither defend or condemn what their specific actions were that day, wasn't there. However, with all due respect, I suggest you thank the Good Lord that there are men and women willing to do what these men have done, and are willing to continue to do. And try to be a little less of an arrogant ass.
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