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Jan 11, 2012 12:32:05   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
What is ment by "life size". If I shoot a pic of a bug that is 1/4" long, it will be 1/4" long when I print it? That would be that bugs actual "life size" no? I don't get it.


life size refers to the in camera size. Its what the camera reproduces on either the film or sensor if digital. If you shoot something that is 1/4 in in size life size it will be the same size reproduced by the camera in the camera. This only refers to macro type photography. You can then make whatever size print you want.

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Jan 11, 2012 12:46:57   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
What is ment by "life size". If I shoot a pic of a bug that is 1/4" long, it will be 1/4" long when I print it? That would be that bugs actual "life size" no? I don't get it.


Not when you print it, but the same size on your camera's sensor. If you were using film, the bug would be the same size on the negative as it is in real life...

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Jan 11, 2012 14:54:02   #
slickrock Loc: jacksonville
 
1/4" on the sensor.

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Jan 11, 2012 15:51:08   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
chapjohn wrote:
A macro lens will make the image 1:1 = actual size, not any bigger not any smaller. Macro photography is usually done with small items.
Prime and zoom lenses do not do this, only close up photos.
The distinction between macro and close up photos is that close up does not have to be 1:1. Many times we make the mistake of calling a close up photo a macro photo.
Others will be technical and detailed than I was.


Correction! A macro lens is capable of not only producing 1:1 magnification but other ratios as well depending on the working distance. The math is simple: when you bring an object from infinity to a distance twice the focal length of the lens the result is 1:1 magnification (life size).

Also, some prime lenses are designed with macro capabilities as well. For your info, a prime lens is a lens whose focal length is fixed, as opposed to a zoom lens. Nikon produces some fine 105mm and a 60mm macro lenses with fixed focal lengths (prime).

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Jan 11, 2012 15:51:15   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
silver wrote:
The one thing that everybody forgets to mention about macro lenses is that a true macro lens has to be a flat field lens.

Not everyone forgot: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user_page.jsp?upnum=108 as cited on first page.

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Jan 11, 2012 15:55:38   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
PJT wrote:
Yes a very big difference.
A true macro lens will reproduce an image at a ratio of 1 to 1 or life size. These lenses are generally about 100mm F2.8. and rather pricey.
Some lenses around the 50 mm size say 55mm say macro but in actuality are 1/2 life size or an image is reproduced at 1/2 its actual life size.
OK let me explain take an object say a quarter and if you were to photograph it with a standard 50 mm lens it would show detail but not at the exact size of the quarter,
If you used a 100mm true macro lens your quarter would be enlarged to a ;some lenses of zoom quality proclaim macro say 1/4 . This means that a subject can be photographed at up to 1/4 the actual size. (most zoom lenese will allow close focusing)
These lenses are not macro but rather close focusing and allow some degree of image magnification but not true macro.
Now just because you only have say your normal lens without macro not to fret.
You can do several things to focus closer.
First buy a set of 3 close focus filters wich screw on to the front of your lens via the threads. These filters vary in power form usually +1 +2 &+3 diopters.
By stacking them one on top of the other you can create from +1 all the way to +6 magnification of your subject.
Mind you this will get you a lot closer and more magnification than your standard 50mm lens and is a great way to explore photographing subjects at higher magnifcations,also it is vey inexpensive.
Next you could buy a reversing ring set which literally allows you to mount your normal lens on backwards. You lose all of your cameras metering and autofocusing functions however you will
be able to focus . You will not have any control over DOF and shutter speeds and without the usr of a seperate light meter you will have a trial and error time of it.
I HAVE NOT EVER TRIED THIS.
Finally you can buy a bellows attachment.
This bellows if coupled to your camera(it must be bought for your brand only) will allow you some incredible images say up to 3 times and beyond life size.
You mount your bellows to the camera and mount your normal lens to the bellows.
If it purchased for your brand of camera all of the functions will work Please note you will rack out (extend manually by hand ) the bellows with the thumb screw until you achieve your magnification . If not then you must focus,and shoot in the manual mode only. Then take your photograph.
Listen this is just a quick break down on macro and what it means and how to achieve it. Macro lenses have been covered many times on this forum already. If you please you can read them under topic log.
True macro lenses can be quite pricey,for nowI would suggest purchasing a good set of close focusing filters. Buy them in a set of 3 and choose a brand that you like. Your camera brand may even offer them for sale. Just Remember to check your thread diameter of your lens before you order. It may be 52MM,55mm,or 58mm. Make sure you order the correct size.
Hope this helps! :thumbup:
Yes a very big difference. br A true macro lens w... (show quote)

YIKES! I got lost about the third paragraph, and I am an experienced photo-macrographer. Just a bit much for a novice.

Did you read posts previous to your's, or just OP's original question?
quote=PJT Yes a very big difference. br A true m... (show quote)


YIKES! is right... and confusing to say the least.

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Jan 11, 2012 16:18:33   #
naturalite Loc: Up state NY
 
Not to be mean, so please don't take it personally. But I think your needs would be better met if you found an entry level photo forum. Or maybe a book on basics.
The subject you have inquired about has been asked so many times, some of the folks here are getting grumpy about it.
Don't give up your search.

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Jan 11, 2012 16:25:30   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
naturalite wrote:
Not to be mean, so please don't take it personally. But I think your needs would be better met if you found an entry level photo forum. Or maybe a book on basics.
The subject you have inquired about has been asked so many times, some of the folks here are getting grumpy about it.
Don't give up your search.

We expect questions to be repeated by incoming novice (and other) photographers, which is why we are assembling FAQs (and Answers), as was cited on first page. OP already responded with understanding of answer to his/her question, based on cited FAQs. No grumpiness expressed towards OP.

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Jan 11, 2012 17:54:16   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
PJT wrote a lot,,, I copied and put in Word and changed the dpi and it read just fine... and is as through as the History of the World Part 2. Summed the subject well. To further summarize PJT's summary:

1. True Macro is going to cost a pile of $, those "Macro" telephotos are just close focus lenses as is the camera setting "Macro."
2. There are tricks, Bellows and stacking rings with reversing rings to put (for eg) a 50mm on backward for high magnification. Or even a reversing ring direct to the camera.
3. Using reversing rings you lose auto focus,,, hay so what,, use screen with something sharp (not cutting sharp) to focus on such as one of commas in the national debt or scribe line on a microscope slide or even a USA postage stamp.
4. Very helpful would be to look up Nickelodian72's website and previous discussions of Macro. Personally, I learned a great deal from him,,, He knows his stuff and has a catalog of great works. He sited them above:
http://500px.com/Nikonian72
http://www.flickr.com/photos/Nikonian72

I have tried reversing ring with my Sony, but run into problems with my model telling me no lens... other models have a defeat in the menu... humph... new firmware where are you?? I may have to play some wiring games to fool the camera... Any way, good luck and have fun even if with close focus Pseudo"Macro" lenses. dp

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Jan 11, 2012 19:22:27   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?


silver wrote:
jeep_daddy wrote:
What is ment by "life size". If I shoot a pic of a bug that is 1/4" long, it will be 1/4" long when I print it? That would be that bugs actual "life size" no? I don't get it.


life size refers to the in camera size. Its what the camera reproduces on either the film or sensor if digital. If you shoot something that is 1/4 in in size life size it will be the same size reproduced by the camera in the camera. This only refers to macro type photography. You can then make whatever size print you want.
quote=jeep_daddy What is ment by "life size&... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2012 20:17:14   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
Jackinthebox wrote:
Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?

True Macro-Photography is 1:1 (lifesize) up to about 10:1.
True Micro-Photography is 10:1 and higher mag., usually requiring a microscope or similar lens.

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Jan 11, 2012 21:11:25   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
Jackinthebox wrote:
Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?

True Macro-Photography is 1:1 (lifesize) up to about 10:1.
True Micro-Photography is 10:1 and higher mag., usually requiring a microscope or similar lens.


Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?

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Jan 11, 2012 21:15:26   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Jackinthebox wrote:
Nikonian72 wrote:
Jackinthebox wrote:
Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?

True Macro-Photography is 1:1 (lifesize) up to about 10:1.
True Micro-Photography is 10:1 and higher mag., usually requiring a microscope or similar lens.


Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?


remember we are talking macro photography here. Small subjects.

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Jan 11, 2012 21:15:45   #
Virgil Loc: The Hoosier State
 
I tried it once I know. My Canon A-1 mounted on my Canon auto bellows with a reversing ring and my FD 100mm Macro on.
It was fun putting it all together. Problem is I don't remember what I saw!!

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Jan 11, 2012 21:40:56   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
If an explanation is asked for v/s a definition one would get better information by going to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography

There it is also explained that ""Macro" lenses specifically designed for close-up work, with a long barrel for close focusing, are one of the most common tools for macrophotography. (Nikon designates such lenses as "Micro" because of their original use in making microforms, but most lens makers use the term "Macro" or "Makro.")
Happy reading....




silver wrote:
Jackinthebox wrote:
Nikonian72 wrote:
Jackinthebox wrote:
Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?

True Macro-Photography is 1:1 (lifesize) up to about 10:1.
True Micro-Photography is 10:1 and higher mag., usually requiring a microscope or similar lens.


Does that mean that the subject can not be bigger than 35mm film in a FF camera?


remember we are talking macro photography here. Small subjects.

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