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Nov 7, 2013 10:22:55   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
Bobbee wrote:
while the G-Blurr of the background was too much (what do you want with editing a file between executive client calls) I did remove the spare tire. Bring up the picture in PS, go to filters and click liquify, in the tools on the left click 'pucker' and reduce away. I also used the top tool in that same tool to reduce her shorts.


You leave her shorts alone....

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Nov 7, 2013 10:29:04   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Keepsake wrote:
I like your way of helping; when I post something I will expect you to give me some honest answers.


Thank you...I appreciate that very much.

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Nov 7, 2013 11:18:41   #
IsoBob Loc: Hamilton, NJ
 
rpavich wrote:
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry wasn't what I wanted to do...sorry.

I didn't call you names, I didn't use profanity, I didn't say that you are crap and should sell your camera, so why insinuate that i was a meanie?

I just listed "some" of the things wrong with your image and pointed out that in my opinion, the nose highlights and face shadows were a small part of it.

How in the world does this not help?
Now you know what to watch for next time:

1.) Don't position your subjects in front of busy doors and backgrounds, keep backgrounds simple.

2.) Keep an eye on (and fix) the white balance if necessary

3.) Keep an eye on blown highlights, (and fix) if needed.

4.) Don't rely on crappy gym overhead lighting (or whatever crappy lighting you are confronted with in any other place you are shooting in) as your main light source, but to add light if needed to make it as flattering as possible.

5.) Keep an eye on small details like CA and get rid of it if necessary.

If it were me, and someone took the time to evaluate my image and tried to tell me how I erred in portrait taking (and thus tell me what NOT to do next time) I'd be grateful that they made the effort to look at my stuff and let me know how I can improve.

You SHOULDN'T be working on "hours" on edits for just a handful of images. If you are...something is very wrong. You should strive to avoid hours of edits and figure out how to do better IN camera ON location so you don't sit in front of PS for hours.

If all you are looking for is ego stroking and smiley faces and nobody helping you improve...you won't get far without a lot of struggle...if at all.
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry ... (show quote)

Your advise is right on. I hope she learns to take the criticism or not bother to ask. This is what we are here for isn't it? The thing that bothers me the most is the low angle at which the image was shot. Looks like she was shooting a tall building.
:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 7, 2013 12:00:28   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
IsoBob wrote:
Your advise is right on....


Bob, I would like to give you some advice when you advise people: spell it with a "c". Otherwise, when you advise someone, they may not get your advice. I am sure I will not have to advise you again when you give advice.

PS I like the low angle here. Generally, I do not but it works for me here.

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Nov 7, 2013 12:16:19   #
Dave Chinn
 
Here is my version. There was a lot to work with and there's still problems with it, but it is what it is.



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Nov 7, 2013 14:01:29   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
rpavich wrote:
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry wasn't what I wanted to do...sorry.

I didn't call you names, I didn't use profanity, I didn't say that you are crap and should sell your camera, so why insinuate that i was a meanie?

I just listed "some" of the things wrong with your image and pointed out that in my opinion, the nose highlights and face shadows were a small part of it.

How in the world does this not help?
Now you know what to watch for next time:

1.) Don't position your subjects in front of busy doors and backgrounds, keep backgrounds simple.

2.) Keep an eye on (and fix) the white balance if necessary

3.) Keep an eye on blown highlights, (and fix) if needed.

4.) Don't rely on crappy gym overhead lighting (or whatever crappy lighting you are confronted with in any other place you are shooting in) as your main light source, but to add light if needed to make it as flattering as possible.

5.) Keep an eye on small details like CA and get rid of it if necessary.

If it were me, and someone took the time to evaluate my image and tried to tell me how I erred in portrait taking (and thus tell me what NOT to do next time) I'd be grateful that they made the effort to look at my stuff and let me know how I can improve.

You SHOULDN'T be working on "hours" on edits for just a handful of images. If you are...something is very wrong. You should strive to avoid hours of edits and figure out how to do better IN camera ON location so you don't sit in front of PS for hours.

If all you are looking for is ego stroking and smiley faces and nobody helping you improve...you won't get far without a lot of struggle...if at all.
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry ... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 7, 2013 14:24:08   #
Ront53 Loc: Maryland
 
rpavich wrote:
I'm going to be honest here and say that a few shadows are the least of your problems.

Your background is busy and distracting, the low angle isn't flattering to her, and the white balance is atrocious.


You've blown out the detail in her white shorts also.


Not sure what you filled but the overhead lighting is unflattering and she's got raccoon eyes because of it.

What he said...If you have a lot more to shoot, you don't want to spend hours and hours in post processing.

What he said. You have a lot more to shoot other than just one and I don't think you want to spend hours in PS correcting each one.

There's a ton of chromatic aberation around her also.

One other thing...you should really actually "light" them instead of taking what the gym gives you and trying to bandaid it with a bit of on-camera fill.
I'm going to be honest here and say that a few sha... (show quote)

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Nov 7, 2013 14:29:54   #
Ront53 Loc: Maryland
 
I don't what happened to the other reply, but rpavich is correct. If you have a lot to shoot, you don't want to spend hours and hours in post processing. Just one set up for all would be good.

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Nov 7, 2013 14:31:34   #
IsoBob Loc: Hamilton, NJ
 
abc1234 wrote:
Bob, I would like to give you some advice when you advise people: spell it with a "c". Otherwise, when you advise someone, they may not get your advice. I am sure I will not have to advise you again when you give advice.

PS I like the low angle here. Generally, I do not but it works for me here.


Glad you picked up my typing error- I do know the difference between the two. If you are so inclined to pick on this type of thing then you must be having a field day here!

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Nov 7, 2013 14:33:31   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Ront53 wrote:
I don't what happened to the other reply, but rpavich is correct. If you have a lot to shoot, you don't want to spend hours and hours in post processing. Just one set up for all would be good.


True,
One umbrella, one rim, plain slightly blurred background...each player hits the mark, take the shot...boom! done....

Hit Lightroom...a few sliders....sync them all with the same basic edit...pick up the stray bits and pieces....done!

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Nov 7, 2013 15:17:13   #
Thombar Loc: Hominy, OK
 
I think this was a good solution to the problem but why is there a "halo" effect around the young lady? I'm new to this and just learning so no criticism meant.

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Nov 7, 2013 15:34:43   #
bigshot Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
I roughly removed the background distractions to show you that it is important to get the background simple.



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Nov 7, 2013 15:35:22   #
LLucas Loc: Upstate South Carolina, USA
 
I like DEC's edit the best, too. (OMG I wish she could get rid of those HORRIBLE shorts! What's the coach thinking? Looks like she borrowed her grandpa's shorts.)
I like the pose and I like that you got the bball's reflection AND the goal/basket in the shot. But looking up at her makes the lower half look larger than the top half- quite unfortunate when considering the shorts this poor girl has to wear.
Note to self: No posed gym shots without umbrellas...

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Nov 7, 2013 15:51:35   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
IsoBob wrote:
Glad you picked up my typing error- I do know the difference between the two. If you are so inclined to pick on this type of thing then you must be having a field day here!


Field day is an understatement. I do not mind occasional slips but some of the writing is really terrible. In such cases, I will not even read the post. I am glad that someone cares about the language here.

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Nov 7, 2013 17:16:26   #
Bobbee
 
abc1234 wrote:
Field day is an understatement. I do not mind occasional slips but some of the writing is really terrible. In such cases, I will not even read the post. I am glad that someone cares about the language here.


OH, please

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