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Nov 7, 2013 08:38:08   #
Nessguide Loc: Montreal,Canada
 
All comments were kind and helpful...rpavich just called it like it is.
I would have noted all that advice soooo quickly. You asked for help?!
Sometimes a picture just cannot be saved ..that is all there is to it,and this is one of them. Period... Suck it up and practice practise practice....
Nobody said it flat out, but that young lady will not be happy with her little spare tire hanging out..she will get a lot of teasing..so scrap it..or rather keep it and one day you will look back and see how far you have come!

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Nov 7, 2013 08:40:58   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Nessguide wrote:
All comments were kind and helpful...rpavich just called it like it is.
I would have noted all that advice soooo quickly. You asked for help?!
Sometimes a picture just cannot be saved ..that is all there is to it,and this is one of them. Period... Suck it up and practice practise practice....
Nobody said it flat out, but that young lady will not be happy with her little spare tire hanging out..she will get a lot of teasing..so scrap it..or rather keep it and one day you will look back and see how far you have come!
All comments were kind and helpful...rpavich just ... (show quote)


I agree.

But for the future I'd also suggest giving the liquify tool in Photoshop a try for things like a "less than perfect" shape for people. Make it subtle.

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Nov 7, 2013 08:48:14   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
rpavich wrote:
I agree.

But for the future I'd also suggest giving the liquify tool in Photoshop a try for things like a "less than perfect" shape for people. Make it subtle.


Check the left side of the waist and the shorts on my last edit. And compare the second and third files I posted. I guess my edits were a little too subtle. Unless the camera file is a good raw file, none of us really posted anything that was worth more touching up let along make into a 4x5 banner.

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Nov 7, 2013 08:51:04   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
abc1234 wrote:
Check the left side of the waist and the shorts on my last edit. And compare the second and third files I posted. I guess my edits were a little too subtle. Unless the camera file is a good raw file, none of us really posted anything that was worth more touching up let along make into a 4x5 banner.


That looked good...subtle and not supermodel.

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Nov 7, 2013 08:57:23   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
abc1234 wrote:
Check the left side of the waist and the shorts on my last edit. And compare the second and third files I posted. I guess my edits were a little too subtle. Unless the camera file is a good raw file, none of us really posted anything that was worth more touching up let along make into a 4x5 banner.


Did you actually have a proper look at that part of your edit? It's as rough as guts! Very sloppy detail work......

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Nov 7, 2013 09:00:01   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
rpavich wrote:
That looked good...subtle and not supermodel.


I got sloppy with the shorts but it still made the point. The pity about this shot is that she was rather photogenic but the technical problems killed her. No metadata unfortunately.

I wonder why my jpg's got trashed when uploaded. They were pretty dreadful.

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Nov 7, 2013 09:04:09   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
winterrose wrote:
Did you actually have a proper look at that part of your edit? It's as rough as guts! Very sloppy detail work......


You are absolutely correct. It was only meant to show what could be done. I will not spend more time fixing someone else's pictures than I will my own. And I would have been most reluctant to even show a fixed version of this one.

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Nov 7, 2013 09:07:28   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
abc1234 wrote:
You are absolutely correct. It was only meant to show what could be done. I will not spend more time fixing someone else's pictures than I will my own. And I would have been most reluctant to even show a fixed version of this one.


Only joking abc, you know that.....Cheers, Rob.

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Nov 7, 2013 09:09:31   #
kubota king Loc: NW , Pa.
 
2nd copy with more adjustments after posting 1st copy to see what UHH copy would look like

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Nov 7, 2013 09:11:48   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
kubota king wrote:
2nd copy with more adjustments after posting 1st copy to see what UHH copy would look like


Which yellow filter did you use?

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Nov 7, 2013 09:22:32   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Hello! All of these suggestions and examples are all well and good. However, please do not get offended by a little harsh criticism. I would rather be hit between the eyes than have everything sugar coated. you can't learn anything that way.

rpavich meant well and is he is a very good source for advice and information. I will concede that he seemed a little abrupt this time. Not his usual style. He is very talented and experienced and is always willing to help. He and a few others have hit me between the eyes on more than one occasion and this has helped me tremendously!

I have also gotten to know him by his postings on this forum. He has excellent core values and beliefs which one can tell that as a person, he is truly one of those persons that can be referred to as "Good People". I for one am very glad to have met him.

With that being said, You picture is hurting quite a bit due to all of the circumstances of lighting, exposure, etc... Not to worry. Next time you will do 100% better.

All of my shots within a gymnasium are very good only because I paid attention to posts on this forum just like this ahead of time. I think a gymnasium is one of the hardest venues to shoot under because of the lighting. I don't have very fancy equipment. I don't even have a 200mm F2.8 zoom which would help a bunch. But I have learned what apertures, ISO's and shutter speeds work under these circumstances. All learned from this forum.

Please don't take anything personally. We are all here trying to help one another. Keep shooting and keep posting!

Tom

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Nov 7, 2013 09:26:24   #
kubota king Loc: NW , Pa.
 
2nd copy with more adjustments added. And I removed 30 % of the noise you see blown up . I can remove more , but you will lose some of the fine details , Tommy



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Nov 7, 2013 09:28:12   #
newuser
 
Another version...



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Nov 7, 2013 10:02:10   #
Bobbee
 
Nessguide wrote:
All comments were kind and helpful...rpavich just called it like it is.
I would have noted all that advice soooo quickly. You asked for help?!
Sometimes a picture just cannot be saved ..that is all there is to it,and this is one of them. Period... Suck it up and practice practise practice....
Nobody said it flat out, but that young lady will not be happy with her little spare tire hanging out..she will get a lot of teasing..so scrap it..or rather keep it and one day you will look back and see how far you have come!
All comments were kind and helpful...rpavich just ... (show quote)


while the G-Blurr of the background was too much (what do you want with editing a file between executive client calls) I did remove the spare tire. Bring up the picture in PS, go to filters and click liquify, in the tools on the left click 'pucker' and reduce away. I also used the top tool in that same tool to reduce her shorts.

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Nov 7, 2013 10:07:58   #
Keepsake Loc: NC
 
rpavich wrote:
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry wasn't what I wanted to do...sorry.

I didn't call you names, I didn't use profanity, I didn't say that you are crap and should sell your camera, so why insinuate that i was a meanie?

I just listed "some" of the things wrong with your image and pointed out that in my opinion, the nose highlights and face shadows were a small part of it.

How in the world does this not help?
Now you know what to watch for next time:

1.) Don't position your subjects in front of busy doors and backgrounds, keep backgrounds simple.

2.) Keep an eye on (and fix) the white balance if necessary

3.) Keep an eye on blown highlights, (and fix) if needed.

4.) Don't rely on crappy gym overhead lighting (or whatever crappy lighting you are confronted with in any other place you are shooting in) as your main light source, but to add light if needed to make it as flattering as possible.

5.) Keep an eye on small details like CA and get rid of it if necessary.

If it were me, and someone took the time to evaluate my image and tried to tell me how I erred in portrait taking (and thus tell me what NOT to do next time) I'd be grateful that they made the effort to look at my stuff and let me know how I can improve.

You SHOULDN'T be working on "hours" on edits for just a handful of images. If you are...something is very wrong. You should strive to avoid hours of edits and figure out how to do better IN camera ON location so you don't sit in front of PS for hours.

If all you are looking for is ego stroking and smiley faces and nobody helping you improve...you won't get far without a lot of struggle...if at all.
I'm sorry you are so thin-skinned; making you cry ... (show quote)


I like your way of helping; when I post something I will expect you to give me some honest answers.

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