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Why do folks insist that Manual is Better?
Oct 16, 2013 02:16:54 #
Bram boy wrote:
well I can tell you if that picture here is you up to date , I'm at least 10 years older than you . I have read several pieces on the net in books about three years ago and it said digital has finely cought up with film . not your average camera but the top end ones . and they went on to do tests of pictures done with digital and film . and people could not tell which ones were done with what . they were made to same size shot on same tripod same len's , it was a fair test . ?? I'm just sayen,
That image was made just before my 70th birthday last year
Oct 16, 2013 02:32:57 #
Bram boy wrote:
and people could not tell which ones were done with what .
That is hardly a scientific comparison!
Oct 16, 2013 02:40:22 #
nekon wrote:
I have just turned 71 last monthThat image was made just before my 70th birthday last year
"....tests of pictures done with digital and film . and people could not tell which ones were done with what" - Never mind magazine images-if you saw a film-produced image on platinum paper, you would understand
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Oct 16, 2013 02:52:27 #
When I use manual it makes m think I am smarter than the camera, which of course is not true. I use it both ways depending on how I feel
Oct 16, 2013 02:59:25 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
nekon wrote:
That image was made just before my 70th birthday last year
well I gout beat I was 72 in sep 27 last month
Oct 16, 2013 03:05:14 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
Bram boy wrote:
well i got you beat beat I was 72 in sep 27 last month
Oct 16, 2013 03:17:58 #
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Oct 16, 2013 03:43:55 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
nekon wrote:
September 29 for me
that's what it is were both libera
Oct 16, 2013 09:33:38 #
Bram boy wrote:
nice shot mt man . I take it that rain bow lives there on sunny days .
Yes, and fortunately Idaho has many sunny days.
You need to be lucky on the time (or a better planner than I am) because it is only there part of the day because it is in the canyon. I have plenty of previous attempts without the bow.
Oct 16, 2013 09:41:04 #
lighthouse wrote:
OK. br Aperture priority panos. br The ones you h... (show quote)
The same settings do not cause the same exposure because the light differs across the range of a panoramic image. A priority actually gives you a better exposure.
That is why the example someone posted with manual is so dark on the left as to be unpleasing. In A priority the left would have been brighter and the software would have tone matched at the interface. The photographer claimed "that's how it looked" but alas the human eye and memory both are quite fallible. The human eye adjusts to a much wider dynamic range and sees into shadows much better than a camera.
With a Nikon you can lock in the exposure with the back AE lock button if you want to make panos with whacky exposure. You have to set up the camera right to do that. I haven't found it necessary but know some swear by it.
Oct 16, 2013 10:04:45 #
MtnMan wrote:
The same settings do not cause the same exposure b... (show quote)
Let's be fair... the pano you are referring to is pleasing to everyone but you. The photographer never claimed it was an HDR.
Oct 16, 2013 10:35:36 #
mdorn wrote:
Let's be fair... the pano you are referring to is pleasing to everyone but you. The photographer never claimed it was an HDR.
I'll accept you like it. I do not accept the generalization. I agree I didn't like it.
Oct 16, 2013 12:54:26 #
MtnMan wrote:
I'll accept you like it. I do not accept the generalization. I agree I didn't like it.
What generalization are you referring to? Who else in this thread didn't like it?
Oct 16, 2013 13:44:17 #
mdorn wrote:
What generalization are you referring to? Who else in this thread didn't like it?
I didn't see anyone said they did like it either. That doesn't mean they didn't like it. The majority usually seems to like anything on UHH. We just don't know for this case.
We'd need a comparison shot both ways (A and M) and processed the same way to have a fact based opinion anyway.
My problem with it was that the left was too dark and out of focus. That would have been compensated for with aperture priority and if focus were manual or also locked.
In any case one could have locked the exposure in A mode with appropriate settings of the AE lock if you wanted to do that. You wouldn't have to turn yourself into a part of the exposure metering loop to accomplish the same thing. That's why I think it silly to use M unless the situation actually demands it. In those cases I'm fine with it. For me they are rare; e.g. when I put the camera on my telescope.
Oct 16, 2013 14:04:43 #
Nightski wrote:
I do have one question though, and I hope someone answers.
In the days of film, did you have a choice between manual, auto, TV, AV, and program auto?
If they only had manual, then why do all the film photographers claim that they are way better photographers because they had to shoot film?
What is it that makes film photogs so much more skilled than digital photogs?
I do have one question though, and I hope someone answers.
In the days of film, did you have a choice between manual, auto, TV, AV, and program auto?
If they only had manual, then why do all the film photographers claim that they are way better photographers because they had to shoot film?
What is it that makes film photogs so much more skilled than digital photogs?
In 1977 Minolta came out with the first camera that had both Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority. They also had a contest that if you had the oldest Minolta in your state you won one. I had bought an old folding Minolta at a tag sell for $5 the week before the contest started. I won the one for Nebraska. I loved it put the film with the ASA that I wanted in it set the aperture and let the camera set the shutter speed. Wow more time to get creative with my camera. It's still the way I work today but I can change ASA/ISO on any shot.
Sorry, I don't think film photographers are any better than digital photographers. Just how much they study and learn and what talent they have. I find film and digital are mostly the same. I do think doing darkroom work helped me become a better photographer. When every one demanded color it took a lot of the fun out of photography. It was great to do PP on the computer. I do still take my 1938 Crown View Camera out and do the darkroom work. - Dave
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