lovelylyn Loc: Fort Wayne, IN

Well the word "new" indicates what? That they don't know all of the in's and outs of the forum. I've gone to the search feature and there are so many threads for any given topic. Just because you say,say canon lens, hundreds of threads come up. That is overwhelming to a newbie. Shoot it's still overwhelming to me! You can't tell by the subject topic if it addresses your question. Even virtual word hurt! We live and learn. Uhh is the place to learn the art and mechanics of photography.

Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga

I did not read this entire thread because it has nothing to offer to me worth reading. Mostly, it seems from what I did read, it is a pissing contest between a few members. I will not take a side in this issue. JR1 has obviously pissed off many here, mostly because he makes blunt remarks. Others just don't like him for their own reasons, whether justified or not. Some defend him. I see both sides. Some take issue with others for defending him. Me, I have learned a lot from JR1 and from from some of his 'defenders', especially Rpavich. I have also learned much and enjoyed reading many posts from some of JR's detractors. I would just like to suggest that in addition to the various sections of UHH such as Photo Gallery, Chat, Photo Contests, etc. we start a Pissing Contest section for those that enjoy doing that. That way, when I read the general photography section, I can learn stuff. When I read the chat section I can be entertained and informed. And, if I want to read insults...

Oh well, just a thought.

George110 Loc: Hershey, PA

Perhaps there was an over reaction which shows how dynamic this site is. We all want to learn and share and show off out progress. There is something to be said about being an ASS. Everybody has one, some are just more perfect than others!

kwils Loc: Salem, Ma

Didn't intend to be petty. Hoping new folks would see the post and save a step. I guess even well intentioned posts can get flamed here.[/quote]

My "petty" comment was meant for JR1 and his unending pre-occupation with how a question is asked or even why it is asked. I probably wasn't clear on that and want you to know I have no issues with your posts.

phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York

Hell of an idea George!

phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York

OK, sorry. It gets easy to be upset when you read a string like this. I like George's idea!

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

Hey nobody's more of a perfect ass than I am.

Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.

No wait I meant nobody's got more of a ............ Oh never mind.

tommyf Loc: Vero Beach, FL

Yeah...there are people who belong to UHH who feel the same regarding being respectful. As far as I am concerned, one never needs to resort to "bulling tactics" in a free and open forum as we all have here. Up until a few weeks ago, posts like ours would have been met with "if you don't like what's being said, don't bother to come here" (sic). And yet it continues, see wellhiem's reply. This sort of tactic is infuriating instead of contributing.

scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Wild Life Loc: Sunny Southern California

quote=Photographer Jim]Most of us on the UHH forum came here for reasons. We have an interest in the wonderful activity of photography, enjoy discussing the activity with others of like interest, and hope to learn new things that will increase our understanding. As on any public forum, those who participate will bring with them a variety of experiences and knowledge; sometimes extensive, sometimes minimal.

Anyone who has spent very much time here is aware that others new to the forum or photography may post questions that have been discussed many times before, or will ask their question in a very general and imprecise manner. When that happens, we can react in one of two ways. We can allow ourselves to be annoyed and chastise the person for not having done a search and/ or not providing all of the pertinent information needed for a complete answer, or we can recognize that the person may not realize that their question is too vague or general and help them get to a more complete understanding of both their own question and the answer which may follow.

As an example, if a person asks, "I'm new to photography, want to add a better lens to my kit, so which is the best lens for me to buy?" I see no real purpose in allowing myself to be annoyed or in jumping on that person for the simplicity of their question. Rather, I start with the assumption that they may not realize what additional info is needed for another to be able to provide a helpful answer. I assume that they are not yet knowledgable or experienced enough to know that some lens are better suited for a particular type of photography, or that the spectrum of lens may vary greatly in both quality and cost, far beyond what they are aware of. Rather than belittle them for their imprecision, it makes much more sense to gently let them know what information would be needed. Hopefully, they will get to a reasonable answer and will have gained some perspective as to which factors have bearing on their question, and why, along the way.

All questions, no matter how simply, are the starting point of a path to increased knowledge. Focusing on the mannerism which the question was asked is throwing up an unnecessary detour, which in the long run may convince the asker that they should not ask any questions at all.

My advice is that if one does not have the patience to provide answers without also voicing their annoyance for those with less experience or knowledge, it would be better to ignore the questions, hold your tongue, and quietly exist within your own world of negativity.[/quote]




Thank You, thank you Photographer Jim. How very eloquently put. It seems lately that the rudeness on this web site is running amuck. Please keep up the positive posts...

Pictxterowner 3 D sbs

There is one thing i noticed about JR1, he moves on to the next person after he feels he has proving himself Superior. This is a dilution of course.

You on the other hand are some kind of stalker.
You repeat the same shit over and over again following him around paying attention to his other threads. STOP THAT! :evil:

Pepsiman Loc: New York City

Well said Erv. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Pentony Loc: Earth Traveller

Thanks JR. However some folks don't think and some folks don't read so we have to sometimes wade through the chafe (crap) to get to the wheat.

Another pet-pied of mine are folks who post things without first reviewing (preview) what they wrote (ms-spellings) and using short text-ing; just being plain lazy and inconsiderate.

Gryffon Loc: Coddenham, Suffolk, England

Sometimes unpicking the question by supportive responses can be helpful to the questioner as a means to clarify issues and options.