Can I accurately call this "Giclee" (Page 3): I Googled it and this is what I got... http://www.proimagingsupplies.com/Gliclee-Printing-21.html?gclid=CInsx9O2kboCFdAWMgodPnMATw...

Greg K Loc: Iowa

I Googled it and this is what I got... http://www.proimagingsupplies.com/Gliclee-Printing-21.html?gclid=CInsx9O2kboCFdAWMgodPnMATw

Timarron wrote:

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Shutterbug61 Loc: Nazareth, PA

ncshutterbug wrote:

I am certainly no expert, but in the art world I believe giclee refers to the picture wrapping around the edges of an unframed picture like a canvas painted all the way over the sides. In other words when you hold it up to eye level you see part of the picture lapping over so you would not want to mat or frame it.

I agree. No mat or frame.

bunuweld Loc: Arizona

Timarron wrote:

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The original giclee printing used an incredible number of color jets in an extremely fine spray. the Louvre museum used it for reproducing some of its paintings, like the Mona Lisa. The iris printer they used was a costly one (over $100,000). Modern high quality Epson and Canon have better archival colors and great quality, so in today's language giclee (spray) sounds like a legitimate use. By the way, in modern French slang it has a more vulgar connotation.

Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA

georgevedwards wrote:

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Yes, this is an interesting little topic of its own. You are pretty much right on; in today's world of digital photography, numbered limited editions actually make little sense other than being a means to artificially pump up the price, by creating a manufactured limit on the supply. Easy to get around if you reach the end of the series, just alter size, paper it's printed on, etc.

I see a lot of "numbered limited editions" on the festival circuit, and few are actually legit ( mine included) from the standpoint of registering the edition (involves having a third party certify how many prints were made, that they were actually all made at the same time, that the print file was destroyed ...), providing a certificate of authenticity, and keeping a record of who owns what numbered print. All of that makes little sense to do unless you are a big name and sought after by collectors. However it is interesting to see how many potential buyers expect that the art you are selling them be a numbered edition.

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

Here is what I would do cuss i don't like to be with out supporting documentation. I would contact Canon with this question. It's their printer and paper, right? Asked the proper term to be used and life cycle. Their you have it sourced.

Value how much did that one piece of paper cost? By you adding the print, mat, frame, etc, on it how much did you add to or detract to the value. Next add your margin (that a business term. Next add blue sky valuation if as an artist you choose do.

I was taught this by a gallery owner. Everything is backed up. If you are using this as a tax wright off check with your tax account. And I believe that at least one needs to be offered for sale at that price or if this is a one of a kind that needs to be pre-offered to qualify. J. R.

Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA

Gifted One wrote:

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Figuring price based on cost of production times a margin plus "ego"money should get you into a reasonable price bracket.

I don't think the pre-offering is a necessity. If the image sells, that becomes an established price with the auction's documentation, and would therefore be eligible to write off at that value. For most of us, the write off value will not be so high as to trigger an audit.

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

Photographer Jim wrote:

Figuring price based on cost of production times a margin plus "ego"money should get you into a reasonable price bracket.

I don't think the pre-offering is a necessity. If the image sells, that becomes an established price with the auction's documentation, and would therefore be eligible to write off at that value. For most of us, the write off value will not be so high as to trigger an audit.

Jim, I think we are sort of on the same page. My thing was from a gallery owner that had advice from Tax Attorney. The rub comes if I value a piece at A and it is placed with no reserve. and say minimal people come and it is auctioned of way below value. In most cases this is a motto point I agree, but i have seen it happen. J. R.

artBob Loc: Near Chicago

Gifted One wrote:

Here is what I would do cuss i don't like to be with out supporting documentation. I would contact Canon with this question. It's their printer and paper, right? Asked the proper term to be used and life cycle. Their you have it sourced.
J. R.

Better than asking the manufacturer, go to http://wilhelm-research.com it's POSSIBLE a manufacturer might use only the best results of its tests. Wilhelm research is scientific.

As for editioning, we are in a gray area here. First of all one learns at art school that each and every number of a print is just as good as the other. If the print plate is not "struck" and no later addition is brought forth, THA T will not be as good. But, with digital we are dealing with an electronic recording. I talked to a curator at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago and one at the Walker Museum in Minneapolis. They agreed with me that basically it will depend on the artist's honesty not to print more than he says he will digitally. Actually, having the original digital file might enable me to restore a print that was accidentally destroyed. I keep a record of every print and who owns it, or (unfortunately) does not have an owner.

joe_flippin Loc: Texan living in Brazil, SA

Aw come on ya'll don't talk about us Texans like that. Our motto: "Ya'll come back now ye heer"

OddJobber wrote:

Sorry, but if you sound anything like my brother who's been in Texas for 45 years, you'd just sound like a bad spaghetti western. :XD:

I'm good with archival quality print.

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

Bobby, Don't have a problem with wilhelm. My only point was I always try to get the approved issue with manufacturer. Usually goes something like this. We have no problem using that term, no we don't warranty it to last that long, but- under normal use and circumstance - - -.

Also TX the OP was not talking of NUMBERING.

By the by, where is the piece of the cake. It would make a great series NUMBERED or not! You can use that creative with sourcing, Ha Ha! J. R.

Rich2236 Loc: E. Hampstead, New Hampshire

Timarron wrote:

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A Giclee, is a print on canvas (printing on paper is not a giclee) using archival inks and then it is wrapped around a wood frame which the picture itself becomes its own frame. I have many that i have sold.
Rich

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Timarron wrote:

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Nash Editions called their ink jet prints Giclee to make them sound as if they were more special then they really were and they could charge an arm and a leg for them. Its a false name for a rather common type of print. This term is quickly going out of fashion.

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Rich2236 wrote:

A Giclee, is a print on canvas (printing on paper is not a giclee) using archival inks and then it is wrapped around a wood frame which the picture itself becomes its own frame. I have many that i have sold.
Rich

I have seen many paper prints referred to as Giclee by dealers at photo shows. Its not just canvas prints.

Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA

Rich2236 wrote:

A Giclee, is a print on canvas (printing on paper is not a giclee) using archival inks and then it is wrapped around a wood frame which the picture itself becomes its own frame. I have many that i have sold.
Rich

If you look back in the thread I think you will find that although this is the most common way the term is being used in the market place, it is not the definition of a giclee, and what you are referring to is more commonly called a canvas wrap.

If we really want to split hairs, giclees are specifically prints made on the original IRIS printers. And even there there is some confusion in that when Graham Nash bought one of the early ones, he originally referred to his prints as Digiprints!

This whole discussion really points out the role that marketing plays in the art business. The term started as a way of differentiating some specific high end prints from others, and has since morphed into many variations, each meant to help somebody market their work. To me, the problem is that there has been so much confusion generated and emphasis placed on the term, that art buyers end up distracted from the quality of the art itself.

bunuweld Loc: Arizona

silver wrote:

I have seen many paper prints referred to as Giclee by dealers at photo shows. Its not just canvas prints.

I would agree. The term has broadened to cover other than the original concept, but the French term giclée means " spray" or "spurt" reflecting the use of fine jets spraying the pigments on any material. The Epson printer claiming Glicee (link) offers all kind of materials, including paper:
http://www.breathingcolor.com/page/epson-9800-information