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Oct 9, 2013 13:22:58   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
ole sarg wrote:
We libs think as you say because what you say is CRAP!


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Oct 9, 2013 13:51:59   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
heyrob wrote:
I just started reading a book titled "Intellectual Morons - Why smart people fall for stupid ideas", haven't gotten to much of the meat yet, but I'm looking forward to trying to understand why some otherwise smart people, even those you are successful in business, fall for all the liberal BS & insanity.


Please let me know if you think it was worth reading when you are done.

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Oct 9, 2013 13:52:23   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
ole sarg wrote:
We libs think as you say because what you say is CRAP!


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Oct 9, 2013 16:06:55   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
FRENCHY wrote:
I learned that one as to be very careful not to start anything that might start a literary war but , Is this OK with you

PATRIOTS We are being played as fools. Chief Justice Roberts did not say obamacare was constitutional..read his RULING ..

He said that the mandate was NOT Constitutional and that the ONLY WAY THAT the federal government could enforce obamacare is to to enforce it as a tax....

WELL here is where the obamacare mandate is unconstitutional..Right when Justice Roberts made that ruling THE ACA should have went BACK to congress and should have been VOTED ON BY EACH MEMBER OF CONGRESS AS A TAX .. IT WAS NOT ..

The House did not pass obamacare as a tax..they said that it was NOT a tax..

The Obama Lawyers argued their case saying it was not a TAX... Roberst contorted his logic like a cheap soggy pretzel and called it a TAX.

So DO NOT BE FOOLS PEOPLE .. OBAMACARE IS ILLEGAL ..

BECAUSE OBAMACARE/THE ACA Originated in the SENATE and a Tax cannot originate in the Senate..

THEN.....OBAMA has unlawfully changed the law by giving exemptions and waivers to Corporations, Big Business and Labor ..HE HAS NO LEGAL STANDING TO DO THIS...

He is an Alinskite Radical revolutionary and his lap dog Main Stream media Knows the Alinski rules and is REPEATING THE LIE over and over and over again so it becomes the new reality..

JUST BECAUSE YOU HEAR SOMETHING ON THE NEWS DOES NOT MAKE IT ACCURATE .. They are trying so hard to make us all believe that Obamacare is legal BUT IT IS NOT LEGAL...

Once the Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act could only be constitutionally enforced as a tax, that interpretation immediately invalidated the Affordable Care Act due to the fact that this illegal Act actually originated in the Senate and NOT IN THE HOUSE!!.

What Mr. Harry Reid was he pulled an illegal maneuver with Obamacae.
See he knew that the House wouldn't willingly go for the ACA as a new bill -- he took a bill that did originate in the House, gutted it of all it's provisions, then inserted the provisions of the ACA -- unfortunately, under the rules of Parliamentary Procedure (Roberts Rules of Order), he cannot change the subject of such a bill by substituting provisions that are not compatible with the original purpose of the bill. This was also the reason that he and Nancy Pelosi were so adamant that the House had to pass it to see what was in it.

So his trick cannot succeed -- he changed the provisions of the original bill so grossly that it could not legally be passed at all.

Then the only remedy available under our federal system of government would have been for the entire law to have gone back to the House for origination -- the only choice they legally had was to start over. They did not and the sneaked it in through that illegal procedure.

You see they needed 60 votes to get it passed and Scott Brown just won an election in Massachusetts.. so The office of Majority Leader Harry Reid said that there will be no attempt to swear in a new senator until Massachusetts gets all the right paperwork to Washington.

Till then "appointed" Sen. Paul G. Kirk Jr. , a Democrat, in the meantime will keep the job and cast the votes for Obamacare. “When there is a certified winner in Massachusetts, the Senate has received appropriate papers, and the Vice President is available, the successor to Sens. Kennedy and Kirk will be sworn in,” said Regan Lachapelle, a Reid, D-Nev., spokeswoman. The whole trick was to get Obamacare the 60 votes it needed before Scott Brown was sworn in and seated!

Senate precedent says Kirk can’t vote once the election has occurred. so they’ve technically lost their 60th vote but they went forward anyway... and NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING.. IT IS TIME TO FIGHT!!

They played this dirty trick and they got the 60 votes ... WITHOUT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTING FOR OBAMACARE...

IS THIS AN ILLEGAL LAW.. ?? HELL YES!

Obamacare is completely and totally illegal to enforce, and unconstitutional on it's face.

So ..lets work on taking the IRS to court if THEY try to garnish your bank account when you OPT-OUT ..go to (generation opportunity.org) AND (cchfreedom.org)

There will be a chance for class action law suits against the Federal Government but we cannot take them to court until they try to tax us for not having health insurance
b I learned that one as to be very careful not to... (show quote)


Get off it. If it were illegal, the supremes would have said so. They didn't, so it isn't.

Period.

End of story.

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Oct 9, 2013 16:30:14   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Twardlow wrote:
Get off it. If it were illegal, the supremes would have said so. They didn't, so it isn't.

Period.

End of story.


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Oct 9, 2013 17:32:12   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Penny MG wrote:
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Oct 9, 2013 17:37:03   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Twardlow wrote:
Get off it. If it were illegal, the supremes would have said so. They didn't, so it isn't.

Period.

End of story.


"End of story"? We shall see, but I doubt it, you really should read up on the decision and what was behind it. Yes the current "majority opinion" carries the force of law, but only until another case comes along to challenge the thin thread on which it was uphelh. I've already twice posted examples of how the SCOTUS has made major blunders in the past that were later reversed. I'm hardly alone in the opinion that this will prove to be another such example.

If you dare check the facts try this page, first post has the 3 examples of SCOTUS mistakes...
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-152765-5.html#2594336

Then there is this explanation of some of the reasons behind John Roberts decision, and what the dissent had to say. (fifth post down)...
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-153717-1.html#2598118

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Oct 9, 2013 19:42:51   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Twardlow wrote:
Get off it. If it were illegal, the supremes would have said so. They didn't, so it isn't.

Period.

End of story.

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Oct 9, 2013 20:49:20   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
ole sarg wrote:
We libs think as you say because what you say is CRAP!


Still waiting for Ole Sarg to explain the 618% national debt following WWII. Until he does there is little that he could say that should be of interest to anyone... Just like a liberal, has a real problem admitting that he often just talks smack about things he knows nothing about... Like running a business, I have for almost two years read his posts about the large publishing concern that he ran, anyone who can misspeak to the point of saying that our country has held debt as high as 618% of GDP cannot possible have ever had any high level budgetary responsibility, you can't make such mistakes with numbers after having to live or die by them.

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Oct 10, 2013 08:08:04   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Still waiting for Ole Sarg to explain the 618% national debt following WWII. Until he does there is little that he could say that should be of interest to anyone... Just like a liberal, has a real problem admitting that he often just talks smack about things he knows nothing about... Like running a business, I have for almost two years read his posts about the large publishing concern that he ran, anyone who can misspeak to the point of saying that our country has held debt as high as 618% of GDP cannot possible have ever had any high level budgetary responsibility, you can't make such mistakes with numbers after having to live or die by them.
Still waiting for Ole Sarg to explain the 618% nat... (show quote)


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Oct 10, 2013 08:50:49   #
Gnslngr
 
The conclusions in the OP are, um, just incredibly wrong. But if you're a republican, or what laughingly passes as a conservative in this country, why bother with pesky things like facts?

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Oct 10, 2013 10:30:17   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Gnslngr wrote:
The conclusions in the OP are, um, just incredibly wrong. But if you're a republican, or what laughingly passes as a conservative in this country, why bother with pesky things like facts?


Oh wise one in the funny hat, please quote the conclusions in the OP that are "just incredibly wrong" and post the correct conclusions. Pretty please. Or are you just continuing to blow smoke in the guise of facts?

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Oct 10, 2013 11:04:40   #
Gnslngr
 
heyrob wrote:
Oh wise one in the funny hat, please quote the conclusions in the OP that are "just incredibly wrong" and post the correct conclusions. Pretty please. Or are you just continuing to blow smoke in the guise of facts?


Sorry, I don't engage people whose belt size exceeds their IQ.

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Oct 10, 2013 16:22:07   #
Jim Peters Loc: Pittsburgh
 
Nothing Personal But Who Gives A Shit? At Age 70 Theres no Way YOU Or I Can Change Things. YOUR Opinion Means NOTHING To The Government! No One Cares And There's NOTHING That YOU Can Do About It! Nothing! If You Don't Believe Me go Ahead And See If You Or Anybody With NO Clout( Such As You) Can Change Anything! Don't Waste Your Time Enjoy What Life You Have Before We Become The North American.Republic Of China!

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Oct 10, 2013 16:22:39   #
Jim Peters Loc: Pittsburgh
 
Where Has your IQ Got You?

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