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Oct 10, 2013 08:05:35   #
jonsommer Loc: Usually, somewhere on the U.S. west coast.
 
bersharbp wrote:
So where are your bird pictures?


I'll convert to jpeg as soon as I have a chance and post. Thanks for asking.

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Oct 10, 2013 08:30:22   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
jonsommer wrote:
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitting in the late afternoon sun enjoying the day and I look at my wife's bird feeder in the distance, and it's loaded with these beautiful little yellow bellied birds. Even though I'm a very serious portrait shooter, I thought I'd bring out the tripod, mount my 2.8 70-200 and see if I could get some interesting yellow-bellied bird shots. I actually had more fun than I thought I would, except for one thing. I started thinking that I needed a much bigger lens to get 'closer' and not have to crop so much to get interesting shots. So I looked at the prices of big lenses (gasp!) and I wondered if a teleconverter was really a viable option. A Nikon 1.7 or 2.0 is about $500 bucks, which is doable, but I've never used one or know anybody that has, so, I'd really like to hear from any fellow Hoggers that have experience with teleconverters, especially the Nikons. Are they really a viable option, or do I need to spend lots of thousands on a quality big lens to get the reach and quality I want?
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitt... (show quote)


I use all three Nikon converters with my Nikon 70-200 f2/8 and get great results

with 1.7
with 1.7...

with 2x
with 2x...

with 1.4
with 1.4...

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Oct 10, 2013 08:40:28   #
jonsommer Loc: Usually, somewhere on the U.S. west coast.
 
mborn wrote:
I use all three Nikon converters with my Nikon 70-200 f2/8 and get great results


Nice shots, mborn, thanks for posting. For me, going from very serious in-studio portrait photography to outdoors, natural light bird photography has opened a door to having fun with my camera gear, but it sure is different, and there's a different learning curve, as well.

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Oct 10, 2013 08:53:10   #
VJs Loc: Tampa
 
I must say mborn you have set the bar high !!! I could not pick a favorite photo. All were so beautiful. I have a 50-300 Nikon lens and I have taken some pretty shots. I don't have that wide variety of birds in my back yard though. Thanks for sharing!!!

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Oct 10, 2013 09:04:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jonsommer wrote:
Jerry, I've never even considered a mirror lense - I checked various sources and they look to be all f8, and as cheap as $129 bucks. Do you have any experience using one?

No, but Bull Drink Water does.

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Oct 10, 2013 09:20:12   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There's always a 500mm mirror lens for about $150 from Adorama. Look up Bull Drink Water here and send him a PM. He has a similar lens and posted some shots he took with it.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user_profile.jsp?usernum=521


go to search and type in " mirror lenses" for samples.

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Oct 10, 2013 09:35:06   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
jonsommer wrote:
Jerry, I've never even considered a mirror lense - I checked various sources and they look to be all f8, and as cheap as $129 bucks. Do you have any experience using one?


yo jonsommer, i have 2 mirror lenses. a phoenex cheapie, and a minolta auto focus. the minoltait auto focuses well and gives good images. paid $425.00 used for mine. i shoot sony alphas so i have other options.

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Oct 10, 2013 10:11:25   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
Eventually, you will want a gimbal-head, or a ball-head.


What will a gimbal do that a ball head or conventional head
will not. I notice they are quite expensive.

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Oct 10, 2013 10:45:59   #
bullfrogs Loc: Chico, Calif.
 
Here is a website on the Swarsky scope used as a birding platform. I have seen this for years and lusted over the photos they are capable of. English birders swear by this spotting scope as a telephoto.
Do any Hoggs have any experience??
If you have to ask.......just make it a short view....LOL
http://10000birds.com/new-swarovski-scopes-the-atx-and-the-stx.htm
bullfrogs

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Oct 10, 2013 10:52:19   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
Having had this problem, and doing a lot of research, I bought a 1.4 APO converter for my 400mm F4.5 minolta lens; I can only say- wow! What a difference ! But do not make the mistake of going for the two times converter- you will lose the autofocus function, and two stops of light. And it really isn't necessary. The 1.4 does exactly what it says on the tin!
go for it, you will not be disappointed.

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Oct 10, 2013 11:13:37   #
wcuster Loc: The Sea Ranch, CA
 
The Nikon 70-200 f/2.8G ED VRII coupled with a Nikon TC-20 E III is a nice combo. My wife uses this with her D800E for much of her wildlife photography.

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Oct 10, 2013 11:42:53   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
jonsommer wrote:
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitting in the late afternoon sun enjoying the day and I look at my wife's bird feeder in the distance, and it's loaded with these beautiful little yellow bellied birds. Even though I'm a very serious portrait shooter, I thought I'd bring out the tripod, mount my 2.8 70-200 and see if I could get some interesting yellow-bellied bird shots. I actually had more fun than I thought I would, except for one thing. I started thinking that I needed a much bigger lens to get 'closer' and not have to crop so much to get interesting shots. So I looked at the prices of big lenses (gasp!) and I wondered if a teleconverter was really a viable option. A Nikon 1.7 or 2.0 is about $500 bucks, which is doable, but I've never used one or know anybody that has, so, I'd really like to hear from any fellow Hoggers that have experience with teleconverters, especially the Nikons. Are they really a viable option, or do I need to spend lots of thousands on a quality big lens to get the reach and quality I want?
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitt... (show quote)



I have one that lives on my 70-200 2.8. No problems at all. Thom says no degradation in image, perhaps a little improvement at the corners.

Will try to find that and post it.

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Oct 10, 2013 11:44:37   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
jonsommer wrote:
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitting in the late afternoon sun enjoying the day and I look at my wife's bird feeder in the distance, and it's loaded with these beautiful little yellow bellied birds. Even though I'm a very serious portrait shooter, I thought I'd bring out the tripod, mount my 2.8 70-200 and see if I could get some interesting yellow-bellied bird shots. I actually had more fun than I thought I would, except for one thing. I started thinking that I needed a much bigger lens to get 'closer' and not have to crop so much to get interesting shots. So I looked at the prices of big lenses (gasp!) and I wondered if a teleconverter was really a viable option. A Nikon 1.7 or 2.0 is about $500 bucks, which is doable, but I've never used one or know anybody that has, so, I'd really like to hear from any fellow Hoggers that have experience with teleconverters, especially the Nikons. Are they really a viable option, or do I need to spend lots of thousands on a quality big lens to get the reach and quality I want?
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitt... (show quote)

I'm a Canon shooter, but in this instance I don't think it'll make a lot of difference. I shoot with a 70-200/2.8 also, and I frequently use a 1.4x teleconverter with this lens. The purchase was definitely worthwhile, I can not detect any loss in IQ and AF is speedy and snappy too. I also use that converter on the 400mm lens, were it gives me the same results.

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Oct 10, 2013 11:46:42   #
Clynro Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
jonsommer wrote:
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitting in the late afternoon sun enjoying the day and I look at my wife's bird feeder in the distance, and it's loaded with these beautiful little yellow bellied birds. Even though I'm a very serious portrait shooter, I thought I'd bring out the tripod, mount my 2.8 70-200 and see if I could get some interesting yellow-bellied bird shots. I actually had more fun than I thought I would, except for one thing. I started thinking that I needed a much bigger lens to get 'closer' and not have to crop so much to get interesting shots. So I looked at the prices of big lenses (gasp!) and I wondered if a teleconverter was really a viable option. A Nikon 1.7 or 2.0 is about $500 bucks, which is doable, but I've never used one or know anybody that has, so, I'd really like to hear from any fellow Hoggers that have experience with teleconverters, especially the Nikons. Are they really a viable option, or do I need to spend lots of thousands on a quality big lens to get the reach and quality I want?
So, last Sunday was a beautiful fall day, I'm sitt... (show quote)


I've been watching these threads for quite some time now, as I'm kind of in your boat with a 70-200mm lens and a desire to be able to better fill the frame without cropping so much. Though there are people who have made comments to the contrary, and though some of the pictures posted are quite nice, what I've consistently come away with from all the threads I've followed, is that teleconverters are a cheaper option, but you do pay a price in terms of IQ, you lose a couple of stops of light, and you often (depending on the lens and teleconverter) lose lens functionality.

All of these have led me to feel that if I am serious about accomplishing the goals I have and listed above, I'm probably going to have to pony up and get the longer lens rather than go the route of the teleconverter. I was disappointed to have come to that conclusion for myself, and it will be different for everyone depending on personal expectations and how critically you will judge your work. As a serious but amateur photographer, I decided to go with the longer lens. Though I haven't yet put my money where my mouth is just yet--still saving--so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.

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Oct 10, 2013 11:47:36   #
jonsommer Loc: Usually, somewhere on the U.S. west coast.
 
jeryh wrote:
Having had this problem, and doing a lot of research, I bought a 1.4 APO converter for my 400mm F4.5 minolta lens; I can only say- wow! What a difference ! But do not make the mistake of going for the two times converter- you will lose the autofocus function, and two stops of light. And it really isn't necessary. The 1.4 does exactly what it says on the tin!
go for it, you will not be disappointed.


Hi jeryh, thanks for the recommendation, I'm leaning towards the 1.4. It'll take my 200 to 280, which doesn't sound like enough at first blush, but I'm more interested in maintaining image quality and autofocus than in trying to get absolute "morrrrre powerrrrrr" as Scotty used to say.

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