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Oct 7, 2013 20:59:26   #
TNmike Loc: NW TN
 
mdorn wrote:
...and by keeping it in this category somehow prevents this from happening? LOL.



:) Well no not completely but the Chit Chat board is a complete 'free for all'. Just post a controversial heading and you can get 20-30 pages of replies. :shock: TNmike

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Oct 7, 2013 21:03:57   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
BrentHarder wrote:
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Searcher, did you get a photo of the pig flying? Hope so.


No - late as usual.

This thread could have started with "How about we add a Fine Art Gallery" to the collection of sections and the response probably would not have got so heated.

I am guilty of using words which may have inflamed the thread somewhat, for which I apologise. I still don't agree with you, but should use a better crafted argument to put my point across.

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Oct 7, 2013 21:06:15   #
MagicMark
 
deej wrote:
I sometimes get confused where to post for critique. Admin always chooses best. Just hope he doesn't tire from it. :thumbup:


And sometimes one gets critiqued even if they didn't ask for it. There needs to be a clearer separation between displaying and critiquing. If that makes any sense at all.

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Oct 7, 2013 21:20:55   #
Birdguide Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
 
Mr. Harder I most strongly disagree on the forum being divided more than it already is, we have more than enough of that every day of our life. It smacks of snobbery. You imagine a category where we self police, what if my crap shot is the best I have ever taken in my life, I post in the category of the "high art ego" section, and everyone following the "be polite rule" either ignore or encourages me, what changed from the way it is now.

I believe this forum is for all photography enthusiasts, we have a few amongst us who's ego's are on display every time they post and tell us how wonderful their shots are, I often disagree strongly and since art is in the eye of the beholder I don't comment. I do see art on UHH, it jumps off the screen at me and I have noticed the most accomplished amongst us are the most humble, they do not tell us the image is art, the image shows us it is art.

For those that don't want to waste time on our lovely community of good folks I agree with others who say find a sight that fits your needs.

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Oct 7, 2013 21:25:52   #
OriginalCyn Loc: Connecticut
 
BrentHarder wrote:
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OriginalCyn,
If the photographer chooses to post a "not so good" photo in the upper category I would hope that everyone would treat that person with respect and dignity even if they do not like the photo. Remember the first rule of the "forum rules": Please be polite. I would hope that we all would follow the #1 rule.


What has history on this forum shown us repeatedly? There's your answer.

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Oct 7, 2013 21:31:36   #
Birdguide Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
 
I strongly agree Dook.
DOOK wrote:
I think I detect a little snobbery here. Am I a 'snap shooter' or a 'real' photographer? I think we are all a little of both. I have seen some so called snap shots on UHH that are superior to some carefully posed photographs.

Can we, or should we, separate the so called snap shooters from the so called photographers? No way, IMO. No matter how we categorize ourselves, we all have one thing in common--we all press a little button that makes a camera go 'click'. Forget this thinly veiled segregation proposal & just keep on a shootin'. We are all one family. Earl.
I think I detect a little snobbery here. Am I a 's... (show quote)

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Oct 7, 2013 21:32:29   #
Birdguide Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
 
DOOK wrote:
Hey, what I said was completely misinterpreted. I fully agree with the different sections we currently have. What I strongly disagree with is the proposed idea of separating snap shooters from photographers by creating a snap shot section. I can see no advantage in doing this. Also, I can see the possibility that a person may be offended if he/she posts a pic that he/she is proud of, & is told by another member that it should be in the 'snap shot' section. JMO.


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Oct 7, 2013 21:42:15   #
Birdguide Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
 
I agree with your well thought out reasoning Donna. There are those on the site who with every post tell us what great artists they are, I seldom agree and there are those that simply post art without the word art ever being included in the post. The image says it all. Having grown in in a cast system I hate snobbery, leave the site as it is, open to all.tsquote=Dixiegirl]I'm going to have to disagree with this proposal, Brent. For one thing, who are we going to pick to decide whose photos are "worthy" to be called true photography? We already have quite enough snobbery here as it is. We even have some folks announcing that they're "tired" of certain subjects. What kind of deal is this? One man even had the nerve to say (when commenting on one person's lovely photos) that his were the only ones that were worthy of a comment by him. I couldn't believe it. I've seen new member's photos rudely attacked as soon as they're posted.
No, members need to practice more humility, and this certainly doesn't promote that concept at all. This would be like pouring gasoline on a fire. Now aren't you glad you asked? :-D[/quote]

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Oct 7, 2013 21:42:37   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
You will seldom hear " Is that the photographers Bentley"

"Whats the difference between a professional Photographer and a large pizza"?

A large pizza can feed a family of four.


I see a LOT of advanced amateurs that reliably produce professional quality images.
I can think of at least one shooter on this forum that reliably produces pro quality images with a bridge camera.

Consider the kid at the mall dressed in an elf outfit taking photos of your kid on Santa's lap PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER

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Oct 7, 2013 22:07:40   #
sixshooter Loc: constitution state
 
Birdguide wrote:
Mr. Harder I most strongly disagree on the forum being divided more than it already is, we have more than enough of that every day of our life. It smacks of snobbery. You imagine a category where we self police, what if my crap shot is the best I have ever taken in my life, I post in the category of the "high art ego" section, and everyone following the "be polite rule" either ignore or encourages me, what changed from the way it is now.

I believe this forum is for all photography enthusiasts, we have a few amongst us who's ego's are on display every time they post and tell us how wonderful their shots are, I often disagree strongly and since art is in the eye of the beholder I don't comment. I do see art on UHH, it jumps off the screen at me and I have noticed the most accomplished amongst us are the most humble, they do not tell us the image is art, the image shows us it is art.

For those that don't want to waste time on our lovely community of good folks I agree with others who say find a sight that fits your needs.
Mr. Harder I most strongly disagree on the forum b... (show quote)


Beautifully said bird guide!! And we have seen time and time again..who the snobs are and where the mean comments come from and how people looking for advice are met with avarice.
I regularly see the beginners post their fledgeling attempts here looking for feedback,being ripped apart by so called "pros" who refuse to post their work (not even their thousands of snapshots clogging up the hard drive) Snobbery and elitism is alive and well here on UHH.and I agree that no further divisions are necessary.
Brent,I can't imagine the tedium of searching for images worthy of your undivided attention could possibly be any more exhausting than the death grip you have on your viewpoint. I for one enjoy everyones efforts..and even in the poorly composed out of focus images can see the love of subject and the thrill of the chase and celebrate the contributions of my fellow Hogs. We may not all share the same skill level..but we do all share the love of photography. and that is what unites us.

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Oct 7, 2013 22:11:39   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Amateurs, Semi-Pros, Pros? To tell you the truth, from what I've seen, the posters on here don't really separate that much. SwampGator is no longer posting, and Graham Smith is the one regular poster that really grabs my attention on a regular basis. Greymule posts some very nice photos as well. Let's not get that taken with ourselves.

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Oct 7, 2013 22:12:29   #
sixshooter Loc: constitution state
 
Searcher wrote:
Don't be a casualty of this thread. Elitism and segregation hurts people and communities wherever it is found. Carry on as before and don't let a few words change you or your actions.

Searcher..Well said!! +1 from me!

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Oct 7, 2013 22:20:04   #
sixshooter Loc: constitution state
 
BrentHarder wrote:
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sixshooter,
I will copy and paste something that I just wrote to help clarify what I think you are interesed in.

The question was asked "who is going to decide what is pro and what is not?" can easily be done by the person posting the photo. If they think they are good enough to be in the upper category, then fine. No one needs to disrespect them or put them down if their opinion does not match your own. Remember rule #1 in the UHH rules (see Help> Forum Rules> above. It says "please be polite". Everyone seems to think that if someone posts a horrible photo that they will be dumped on. REALLY? REALLY? I would hope not.
Page 5 br sixshooter, br I will copy and paste so... (show quote)


Your copy and paste was redundant Brent..and clarified nothing..I was requesting,in your own "work" an example of what you considered a "snapshot" and what you considered worthy of the "higher" category that you propose be added..as a community of people who communicate visually I think perhaps this may help drive your point home.

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Oct 7, 2013 22:22:33   #
DOOK Loc: Maclean, Australia
 
sixshooter wrote:
Beautifully said bird guide!! And we have seen time and time again..who the snobs are and where the mean comments come from and how people looking for advice are met with avarice.
I regularly see the beginners post their fledgeling attempts here looking for feedback,being ripped apart by so called "pros" who refuse to post their work (not even their thousands of snapshots clogging up the hard drive) Snobbery and elitism is alive and well here on UHH.and I agree that no further divisions are necessary.
Brent,I can't imagine the tedium of searching for images worthy of your undivided attention could possibly be any more exhausting than the death grip you have on your viewpoint. I for one enjoy everyones efforts..and even in the poorly composed out of focus images can see the love of subject and the thrill of the chase and celebrate the contributions of my fellow Hogs. We may not all share the same skill level..but we do all share the love of photography. and that is what unites us.
Beautifully said bird guide!! And we have seen tim... (show quote)


Sharpshooter, I agree with you 110%. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 7, 2013 22:52:09   #
Birdguide Loc: Ormond Beach, FL
 
sixshooter wrote:
Beautifully said bird guide!! And we have seen time and time again..who the snobs are and where the mean comments come from and how people looking for advice are met with avarice.
I regularly see the beginners post their fledgeling attempts here looking for feedback,being ripped apart by so called "pros" who refuse to post their work (not even their thousands of snapshots clogging up the hard drive) Snobbery and elitism is alive and well here on UHH.and I agree that no further divisions are necessary.
Brent,I can't imagine the tedium of searching for images worthy of your undivided attention could possibly be any more exhausting than the death grip you have on your viewpoint. I for one enjoy everyones efforts..and even in the poorly composed out of focus images can see the love of subject and the thrill of the chase and celebrate the contributions of my fellow Hogs. We may not all share the same skill level..but we do all share the love of photography. and that is what unites us.
Beautifully said bird guide!! And we have seen tim... (show quote)


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