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Oct 4, 2013 02:02:07   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
hj wrote:
Excerpt from article by Ed Farnan:

There is a huge elephant in the living room; and many folks have started to notice it.
Fresh on the heels of Obama’s eagerness to negotiate with two known terrorist states, Syria and Iran, as well as his high profile acquiescence to Russia’s President Putin in averting a violent confrontation in the Mideast, many are questioning why he won’t even sit down and negotiate with fellow Americans of another political party to find a budget solution.

Obama decrees that the House of Representatives need to do their job. In other words, sit down, shut up, and rubber-stamp what President Obama and Harry Reid want.
In the face of the urgency, Obama spent a leisurely weekend golfing and attending parties. Over the weekend, Harry Reid let the Senate go home and enjoy family time. The House of Representatives stayed on the job throughout the weekend offering alternatives, trying to find a way to get an agreement.
The main bone of contention has been the implementation of the heavily flawed Obamacare legislation. The bill has so many defects that President Obama himself has made exceptions, carve outs, and delays to many of his supporters. This in itself is an admission that the law is not ready to be enacted on the rest of the country. This is also an unlawful way to re-write legislation.

But perhaps the most insulting part of the law is that President Obama, Congressional political appointees, and their staffs are exempted or specially subsidized from it….and that is creating a lot of resentment.
The latest rumored proposal from the House is that they want to delay the individual mandate for Obamacare for one year, just like what President Obama gave to corporations. Additionally, a demand that all political leaders in Washington be subject to Obamacare. All other provisions of the “Continuing Resolution” would be funded.

All indications from Harry Reid and President Obama are that they will accept no changes to their demands and want the budget resolution bill passed intact with Obamacare untouched.
If anything comes out of this, it will magnify the President’s unwillingness to negotiate with Republicans on almost any level; yet he seems eager to negotiate with terror states and repressive regimes.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/hey-obama-negotiate-doesnt-mean-way-highway/#BMvdJ2z2qqVGZJHF.99
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What a crock.

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Oct 4, 2013 09:24:49   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
silver wrote:
What a crock.


Yeah, anything you don't like is a bunch of crock! Not one item in that article is false but to you it's "crock". Obama has expressed willingness to negotiate with Syria and Iran but not the republicans. Obama played leisurely golf instead of tending to business (as usual). Harry Reid allowed the senators to go home instead of tending to business, while the house stayed available. Obama has given special exemptions to himself, congress etc. In other words everything mentioned is truth, but to you a dyed-in-the-wool democrat, it's all "crock". That's why this country is going down the tube because of mindless democrats who only want to take, take, take. Enjoy your freebies while you can because the money is running out.

Have you been watching the news articles about how people trying to register with Obamacare are finding their premiums are way higher than what the administration said they'd be? Obamacare promotion was all "crock" and it will become increasingly obvious as time goes on. I take one prescription for blood pressure and it costs $30 for a three month supply, but my supplemental drug plan just notified me my premium is increasing from $33 per month to $52 PER MONTH. All of this in anticipation of the healthcare fiasco.

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Oct 4, 2013 11:35:36   #
Clynro Loc: South Jordan, UT
 
I think that something very important is being overlooked in all this. Sure, the politicians are fighting for or against Obamacare, and as much as it pains me to say this, I think the Republicans are convinced that Obama is unwilling to negotiate to improve the flawed legislation because it will tarnish what he perceives as his legacy. As flawed as it is, Obama won't back down because of his own pride and will sink the nations health care to preserve it. The point is, that Obama will not negotiate now--or ever. The government shut down is the only card that the Democrats have left the Republicans to play--and I wish they didn't have to play it, but I see why they are. And I feel bad for those suffering as a result.

The real issue is the fact that the spending of our government is out of control--why else would the government run out of money? If the government wasn't out of control with it's spending, there would be no shut down, and no way for the Republicans to be holding the government hostage. I don't pretend to understand all the implications of a shutdown or the looming default, but I can't help but wonder if it might be good for us to default so that borrowing would be more difficult. The government would then be forced to live within it's means and we would finally have to make the tough decisions that are being delayed with a bill that will have to be footed by future generations.

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Oct 4, 2013 11:54:12   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Clynro wrote:
I think that something very important is being overlooked in all this. Sure, the politicians are fighting for or against Obamacare, and as much as it pains me to say this, I think the Republicans are convinced that Obama is unwilling to negotiate to improve the flawed legislation because it will tarnish what he perceives as his legacy. As flawed as it is, Obama won't back down because of his own pride and will sink the nations health care to preserve it. The point is, that Obama will not negotiate now--or ever. The government shut down is the only card that the Democrats have left the Republicans to play--and I wish they didn't have to play it, but I see why they are. And I feel bad for those suffering as a result.

The real issue is the fact that the spending of our government is out of control--why else would the government run out of money? If the government wasn't out of control with it's spending, there would be no shut down, and no way for the Republicans to be holding the government hostage. I don't pretend to understand all the implications of a shutdown or the looming default, but I can't help but wonder if it might be good for us to default so that borrowing would be more difficult. The government would then be forced to live within it's means and we would finally have to make the tough decisions that are being delayed with a bill that will have to be footed by future generations.
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There is some validity in what you say. No wonder the government is in a spending and deficit mode, not having had a budget since Obama took office.

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Oct 4, 2013 12:52:37   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
hj wrote:
Yeah, anything you don't like is a bunch of crock! Not one item in that article is false but to you it's "crock". Obama has expressed willingness to negotiate with Syria and Iran but not the republicans. Obama played leisurely golf instead of tending to business (as usual). Harry Reid allowed the senators to go home instead of tending to business, while the house stayed available. Obama has given special exemptions to himself, congress etc. In other words everything mentioned is truth, but to you a dyed-in-the-wool democrat, it's all "crock". That's why this country is going down the tube because of mindless democrats who only want to take, take, take. Enjoy your freebies while you can because the money is running out.

Have you been watching the news articles about how people trying to register with Obamacare are finding their premiums are way higher than what the administration said they'd be? Obamacare promotion was all "crock" and it will become increasingly obvious as time goes on. I take one prescription for blood pressure and it costs $30 for a three month supply, but my supplemental drug plan just notified me my premium is increasing from $33 per month to $52 PER MONTH. All of this in anticipation of the healthcare fiasco.
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Why dont you ask your health care provider company why there is going to be an increase instead of putting the blame on Obama. What does one thing have to do with another? The blame is on the dam health care company. You are so looking to blame Obama and the blame should be on greedy health care companies. Be real, you have a very distorted view of things. The health care companies are responsible for increasing their premiums, not Obama. Why dont you look at these things realistically? It is about time that there is a health care plan that the whole country can use, whats wrong with giving people access to health care? These people that are opposed to public health care, the republican assholes in congress, all have health care provided free and they are paid huge salaries and they are provided free travel expenses, why do they deserve the benefit of free health care and they so desperately want to deny the rest of the country the same? These people also do not want women to have the right to control their bodies, what kind of draconian world do these people live in? The religious based beliefs of the conservative element if the republican party wants every body to live in a society that they perceive to be the best society. Why is this? How can the desires of such a small amount of people completely screw the rest of the country?

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Oct 4, 2013 13:59:34   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
I've said it before. The 2010 elections were about Obamacare. It flipped the House decidedly in favor of the Republicans and the Senate almost went Republican. Now crunch time has come. Previously the House has sent up smoke signals by voting to repeal Obamacare 40 times and everybody laughed. Now that they refuse to fund it, everybody is upset that the government is shut down. Wake up, their constituents sent them their to stop Obamacare and they understand that. If they don't, they won't be back. So, get ready for a long faceoff until somebody blinks, and my bet is that the Republicans don't.

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Oct 4, 2013 14:54:43   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
SteveR wrote:
I've said it before. The 2010 elections were about Obamacare. It flipped the House decidedly in favor of the Republicans and the Senate almost went Republican. Now crunch time has come. Previously the House has sent up smoke signals by voting to repeal Obamacare 40 times and everybody laughed. Now that they refuse to fund it, everybody is upset that the government is shut down. Wake up, their constituents sent them their to stop Obamacare and they understand that. If they don't, they won't be back. So, get ready for a long faceoff until somebody blinks, and my bet is that the Republicans don't.
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I just have to ask, what is so bad about public health care? All of the conservative republicans have free health care, why cant to rest of us have a similar choice? I wonder what these people would do if their health care was taken away? The health care provision is a legal law now so how can these people be denying the american people what they get for free? It seems to me that these people are guilty of not following the law and why you might ask? What is the motivating force that drives people to deny a basic access to healthcare? I really dont get it.

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Oct 4, 2013 15:45:54   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Quoting you "All of the conservative republicans have free health care, why cant the rest of us have a similar choice?" There is no FREE healthcare choice. Have you not been watching the news. People are up in arms because the premiums being quoted by Obamacare is way higher than what people are paying now. You just watch, something is going to explode.

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Oct 4, 2013 15:49:11   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
hj wrote:
Quoting you "All of the conservative republicans have free health care, why cant the rest of us have a similar choice?" There is no FREE healthcare choice. Have you not been watching the news. People are up in arms because the premiums being quoted by Obamacare is way higher than what people are paying now. You just watch, something is going to explode.


Let me correct myself, I left out the word congressman. These people receive free health care so why cant I have at least some access to hood health care. There will not be any "explosion" as you put it, people are signing up for their healthcare in droves. Its about time.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:10:34   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
silver wrote:
I just have to ask, what is so bad about public health care? All of the conservative republicans have free health care, why cant to rest of us have a similar choice? I wonder what these people would do if their health care was taken away? The health care provision is a legal law now so how can these people be denying the american people what they get for free? It seems to me that these people are guilty of not following the law and why you might ask? What is the motivating force that drives people to deny a basic access to healthcare? I really dont get it.
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That's just it....in order to increase coverage to more people, the whole system is being turned into "public" health care, controlled by the government. The whole problem in the first place is that the Democratic controlled Congress effectively shut out Republican ideas and input, as did Obama. It was a completely Democratic written bill, and it shows. The whole thing needs to be dismantled and rewritten. There is a great health system in place for millions of Americans, and it doesn't need to be messed with. It should be opened up so that people with pre-conditions can be guaranteed coverage, and that's about all that I see has been accomplished. I don't see that the impoverished are being helped at all. Actually, a Republican written healthcare law would be much better than a Democratic one. Think about it.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:49:17   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
SteveR wrote:
That's just it....in order to increase coverage to more people, the whole system is being turned into "public" health care, controlled by the government. The whole problem in the first place is that the Democratic controlled Congress effectively shut out Republican ideas and input, as did Obama. It was a completely Democratic written bill, and it shows. The whole thing needs to be dismantled and rewritten. There is a great health system in place for millions of Americans, and it doesn't need to be messed with. It should be opened up so that people with pre-conditions can be guaranteed coverage, and that's about all that I see has been accomplished. I don't see that the impoverished are being helped at all. Actually, a Republican written healthcare law would be much better than a Democratic one. Think about it.
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You have a very distorted view of the situation. The conservative republicans are saying that they will not agree to public health care and they will keep the government shut down until the health care law is defeated. There are no republican ideas, they are idiots and all they want is to delay or completely get rid of the new healthcare. There is no republican health care suggestion. That idiot ted cruise even admitted that he has no solution but he wants to deny the whole country health care because of his religious beliefs. This guy is a nut case. I also dont know what health care system is in place other then the new health care law that you are talking about.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:50:20   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Just minutes ago the national news reported that health care premiums for young adults are going up in ALL 50 STATES...on average about $200 more. I read previously that the current premiums are predicated on LOTS of young people picking health insurance up. If they don't all other premiums will skyrocket.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:50:59   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
No, I believe that I have a pretty good view of the situation. The Democrats had total control and wrote up a mess, which is why they are no longer in total control.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:54:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
hj wrote:
Just minutes ago the national news reported that health care premiums for young adults are going up in ALL 50 STATES...on average about $200 more. I read previously that the current premiums are predicated on LOTS of young people picking health insurance up. If they don't all other premiums will skyrocket.


My son, who has a replacement aortic valve, is able to get coverage through the Texas Health Insurance Pool for $406/mo. with a $2500 deductible that includes 6 Dr. visits with $35 co-pays. I'm afraid that it will be going up.

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Oct 4, 2013 16:55:24   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
silver wrote:
You have a very distorted view of the situation. The conservative republicans are saying that they will not agree to public health care and they will keep the government shut down until the health care law is defeated. There are no republican ideas, they are idiots and all they want is to delay or completely get rid of the new healthcare. There is no republican health care suggestion. That idiot ted cruise even admitted that he has no solution but he wants to deny the whole country health care because of his religious beliefs. This guy is a nut case. I also dont know what health care system is in place other then the new health care law that you are talking about.
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Very irritating to see that the only way democrats can react to any discussion is by calling those they disagree with, idiots, nut cases and worse. The republicans are not trying to deny health insurance. They have been trying to delay obamacare for one year giving ALL legislators time to rewrite an effective law that doesn't have all the holes and special exemptions for Obama friends. SILVER, how do you justify the exemption of anyone from the plan... congressman, unions, special interest... anyone. If it's a good plan even the president should be on it!!!

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