jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

thanks..i will check the nik software out!

Novots Loc: Grand Forks, ND

I also take the 'noise' issue with a grain of salt. I have never had a single person ask about the noise/grain in a photo. Unless you are somehow shooting something or for someone that is knowledgeable about noise and insists on essentially a noise free image, to the average consumer not only will they generally not see the noise, if any exists, they could care less, they are interested in the image. If you are out taking shots and the once in a lifetime photo op presents itself, are you thinking noise or are you thinking of capturing the image? Noise issues are simply a marketing ploy by the manufacturers. Post production techniques and software have advanced so dramatically that if you must remove/lessen noise on a photo, it is no problem, and again, if the image is important to the consumer, they won't even notice it, if it is present at all in the print. I've done and seen prints at 25600 ISO with some noise, but look fantastic. Don't hesitate at all to shoot at 6400 or 12800 and if needed do a little post work on the noise. I shoot Canon gear, best body for noise is the 5D Mark iii. Great question.

MagicMark

I shoot location portraits and I use ISO 400 and a cropped sensor camera and get fantastic results. And I have shot at ISO 800 and was impressed with the image quality.

Pierces Loc: Cape May Court House,NJ

Noise is primarily controlled by the sensitivity of the camera.

Canon specifies an ISO range up to 6400 on their 600D cameras and 25,600 on the 6D. Don't expect noise within the specified range.

You get 2x the sensitivity for 5x the price.

Harleythor

I just looked at Dpreview full test of your camera, and it got
excellent high iso remarks.

Auto Focus may be the only problem there up to and including
ISO 6400. But then if you have a noise reduction program
like Denoise, you can fix any residual noise PP.

Same old story to get a slow zoom when you shoot in low light
or get a couple of fast prime lenses.

So I propose you look at your favorite shots from the past
and figure out you favorite focal length. If you don't like
changing lenses, then spend more and get an F2.8 zoom like
24-70mm and a 50mm f1.8 prime. See if you can get a short range 70- 150mm zoom that is also fast so you can shoot it indoors in low light handheld, it should have image stabilization.

Sounds like your camera should be excellent for what you do
but now you need to decide if you buy used like new or
spend for new. If you only expect to own no more than 3 lenses get good used ones and make them fast.

zneb240 Loc: New South Wales - Australia

Yes.... I totally agree. Don't get hung up on this 'noise' issue. Years ago well.... maybe. Todays cameras just about make this a non-issue.... dial it up if necessary, shoot away and get the picture!! ;)

pdwoodswood Loc: Lewisville, NC

I like the effect at 6400. Blurry hairs and other detail that is not crystal sharp does make for a nice photo.
I also have a 5D/II and will experiment with cranking ISO in low light. Thanks

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

thanks big time!

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

i am now totally NOT hung up on the noise issue.

thanks.

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

thanks for the info. i do have the 24-70mm2.8 L and the 70-200mm2.8. the 70-200 has image stabilization but have never used it. i kinda learned on the 24-70, which has no image stabilization. have no probs with the auto focus with this camera body with any of my lenses.

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

2x the sensitivity for 5x the price makes it definitely not a great deal in relation. I tried the 25000 iso and it's pretty bad...but then I didn't print them

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

thanks to all for your help..this has been a revelation for me.

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

I was set wide open at f2.8...I'm going to try it at f5.6 to try to get the rest in focus.

Harleythor

If you shoot in monochrome there are programs that let you
add grain like old film grain for a nice antique look.

Its is considered artistic, lending a texture to your photos.

The Dpreview test said your camera is just fine up Thru 6400
ISO and I have never had to go higher than that.

I don't even know why we are talking about something your
camera does well at.

And do use that image stabilized 70-200mm many pros use
it as a portrait lens.

The 24-70mm doesn't need image stabilization since the rule
of thumb is the the longest focal length needs 1/70th second
shutter speed hand held. Slower than that just brace the lens against a tree or wall, or use a monopod.

Best to keep the ISO as low as possible for other reasons
like saturation, dynamic range. Just like film was
base iso gives the best colors.

I would get a small flash unit for balance and fill flash
since your camera omits this feature. Shoot raw so you
can fix things that aren't right in PP. For instance
WB and exposure issues.

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

I do sincerely hope that this would not be thought of as "Off Topic"....

However....

When I am making long exposures (anything over 10 seconds) I leave my cell phone in the Jeep. I have had a theory about my cell phone (which is by the way) a two way radio communication device, that could send "harmonic wave" transmutations into the electronic (computer) circuit(s).

My reasoning for this concern is based on the use of the computer. Like most I have music playing when I edit my images to make into prints. When the Cell Phone "rings" or about to ring I hear a distinctive "Rupp-Tit-A-Rupp-Tit-A-Rupp" on the speakers and or headphones.

ALSO, recently, on a trip into Utah, where I do not receive F.M. stations, and had the radio ON, I heard the Same Sound come from my speakers in the Jeep radio when using the camera - and the CELL PHONE was OFF at the time - when I pressed the shutter button down.

And I tried this again- But this time held the camera Over the area of the Radio. It Was Louder.

So --- as it is a fact that the Camera (Canon 5D Mark II and 60D) can "transmit" "a signal" to the radio receiver - Can it go the other way.... ? Can the Cell Phone incorporate a signal into an image AT THE EXACT Time of "Writing" to the Memory Card(s)...

This is only an observation .. But I have left my cell phone in the car when on a shoot ANYWHERE because of this observation. And Too, I do not like being "strapped" to the damn cell phone anyway so I may be looking for an "excuse" as NOT to have it On Location. :-)

Anyone ever gave thought on this?

Jim.