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Aug 28, 2013 10:28:27   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
This has drifted way off topic and I am not an attorney but any out of court document (or photo) would need the custodian of records (or photographer) to qualify its admissibility . Post processing would not automatically render the photo if the photographer could provide testimony that the photo accurately depicts what it is intended to. What could be argued is what weight is lent to the photo.

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Aug 28, 2013 10:30:17   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Left out render the photo in admissible above. I should proof read.

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Aug 28, 2013 10:30:44   #
UtahBob Loc: Southern NJ
 
skydiverbob wrote:
Yes, that's true. Thank you! But, then again, we weren't talking about pano. We are talking about HDR...


Yep, an HDR panorama (or HDR macro, or CSI forensics, etc.) :-D Still HDR just some more processing or less perhaps.

I was just making the observation for the eventual taking of a shot for hdr and then wanting to make it wider with a pano by shifting the lens over - manual is the way to go in that case.

Sorry if the original post was unclear.

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Aug 28, 2013 10:34:44   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Zaydewise wrote:
I was curious on how many photos you shoot in HDR. I usually shoot 3 with +1 0 -1 aperture exposure but I just read that the best method is shoot 5 at a +2 -2 exposure. Any other suggestions.


Instead of letting the camera bracket them with set + or - exposures, why don't you try taking three at exposures you like. In other words, frame the shot, use a meter to get the most accurate exposure, then using LiveView, move your shutter speed until you can see the highlights exactly the way you want them and then the same for shadow areas. Be as careful as you can about not moving your camera.

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Aug 28, 2013 10:39:35   #
Bamboo Loc: South Carolina
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Instead of letting the camera bracket them with set + or - exposures, why don't you try taking three at exposures you like. In other words, frame the shot, use a meter to get the most accurate exposure, then using LiveView, move your shutter speed until you can see the highlights exactly the way you want them and then the same for shadow areas. Be as careful as you can about not moving your camera.


That is interesting, I'll have to try that.

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Aug 28, 2013 10:48:19   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Bottom line you don't have to do it manually and potentially introduce movement. Look at your histogram in advance and if you can capture the dynamic range in three then it seems like any more would be more information for the software to deal with. Looking at the histogram you may be able to capture the dynamic range by merely adjusting the ev of the whole bracket.

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Aug 28, 2013 11:02:01   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
Zaydewise wrote:
How to you get topics so fast. I just get the daily newslettter.


If you're logged into the site, go to the top menu and click on "Newest Topics" (Bottom line 4th from left)

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Aug 28, 2013 12:22:59   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
Zaydewise wrote:
I was curious on how many photos you shoot in HDR. I usually shoot 3 with +1 0 -1 aperture exposure but I just read that the best method is shoot 5 at a +2 -2 exposure. Any other suggestions.


I shoot ev +3, 0, -3

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Aug 28, 2013 12:39:35   #
fstop11 Loc: Huntington Beach Ca
 
I set my Canon 7D C1 ev of 2 and C2 ev of 1 giving me five shots. Using tripod and timer

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Aug 28, 2013 14:00:36   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
wrr wrote:
No that doesn't make sense, post processing is post processing...whether in camera or out. Post processing always, of course, happens after the fact. Couldn't be any other way...seems odd that courts would be OK with PP done by a program in camera vs out is what I'm saying.

Here is some of my 5th grade stuff...this what you are talking about?
http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2013/7/6/1373124408189-img_4696_hdr_rs2.jpg
http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2013/5/16/1368713762336-img_2078_tonemapping_rs.jpg
http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2012/12/3/thumb-1354514729112-barn1_rs.jpg

anyways, nothing personal, you just hit three of my buttons in one post...courts, ATF and self serving definitions of HDR, all's swell in the great state of Kansas.
No that doesn't make sense, post processing is pos... (show quote)
No! No! No! That is not what I am talking about! Lol. Your stuff is good!

I am talking about when people go so heavy that the pic ends up looking like a cartoon. You have to forgive me. I am tired. I have been up for 24 hours now and I am going through withdrawal-I just sent my camera in for repairs and my daughter won't let me borrow my back up camera back. What did I ever do to her?

Oh, and to clarify, the way I understand it from the courts point of view, since a Jpeg is a form of processing done in camera and the tools used to compose a pic in camera such as ISO, shutter speed, aperture, wb etc....(in other words, exposure), these along with other tools such as in camera HDR, are perfectly acceptable. In camera HDR does not do any of the stuff like you did in pp. It can't. It simply adjusts the overall contrast of a pic giving that pic more even lighting and/or depth of view (not to be confused with depth of field). A good example would be if you are standing in the sun shooting into your open garage with no lights on and it is very dark in there and you can't see the back wall with an ordinary pic. By using in camera HDR, not only can you see the back wall, you can see the clock above your workbench and all the tools hanging on the peg board very clearly. Oh , and you can see the copper windings of the armature of that electric motor that you are working on which is laying on the bench.

That is how we use it. Perfectly legit. Here is the kicker: You can on do this in jpeg mode. It will not work with the Camera set to RAW.

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Aug 28, 2013 14:32:50   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
I have to take a point with the religious fundamentalists out there...That is like saying any painter who doesn't do highly realistic painting is just a kid fooling around with paint. Most of the great art throughout history would be eliminated to a boring collection of paintings. The uniqueness of being human is to be able to alter reality to suit our desires. We now live in houses instead of caves. We also do HDR photography, some of it exaggerated, like Van Gogh. I myself have tried many "over done" effects for experimentation, 90% trash but once in a while a gem. I sold over 200 copies of this attached altered photo.



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Aug 28, 2013 14:39:21   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
tainkc wrote:
No! No! No! That is not what I am talking about! Lol. Your stuff is good!

I am talking about when people go so heavy that the pic ends up looking like a cartoon. You have to forgive me. I am tired. I have been up for 24 hours now and I am going through withdrawal-I just sent my camera in for repairs and my daughter won't let me borrow my back up camera back. What did I ever do to her?

Oh, and to clarify, the way I understand it from the courts point of view, since a Jpeg is a form of processing done in camera and the tools used to compose a pic in camera such as ISO, shutter speed, aperture, wb etc....(in other words, exposure), these along with other tools such as in camera HDR, are perfectly acceptable. In camera HDR does not do any of the stuff like you did in pp. It can't. It simply adjusts the overall contrast of a pic giving that pic more even lighting and/or depth of view (not to be confused with depth of field). A good example would be if you are standing in the sun shooting into your open garage with no lights on and it is very dark in there and you can't see the back wall with an ordinary pic. By using in camera HDR, not only can you see the back wall, you can see the clock above your workbench and all the tools hanging on the peg board very clearly. Oh , and you can see the copper windings of the armature of that electric motor that you are working on which is laying on the bench.

That is how we use it. Perfectly legit. Here is the kicker: You can on do this in jpeg mode. It will not work with the Camera set to RAW.
No! No! No! That is not what I am talking about! ... (show quote)



My 5D III does take three bracketed shots in HDR mode (and processes in camera). Lets think about this logically. If I was investigating a crime scene where identification was an issue and for demonstration purposes I am trying to recreate the ambient lighting conditions given the time of day, weather, street lighting, etc, could I more accurately do that by creating an image that the human eye can see (much greater DR than any camera) or give an inaccurate depiction of the scene because of the cameras inability to see what the eye sees.

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Aug 28, 2013 14:42:47   #
crimesc324 Loc: West Palm Beach, Florida
 
most Nikons only allow 3 exposures. I thing Canon does 5 or more

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Aug 28, 2013 15:14:59   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
tainkc wrote:
...You have to forgive me. I am tired. I have been up for 24 hours now and I am going through withdrawal-I just sent my camera in for repairs and my daughter won't let me borrow my back up camera back. What did I ever do to her?....


All's well my friend...you get some rest and when your daughter isn't looking snatch that camera!

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Aug 28, 2013 15:15:42   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
crimesc324 wrote:
most Nikons only allow 3 exposures. I thing Canon does 5 or more


umm, thought it was the other way around?

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