Stanley

I find it hard to believe that a photographer would say that? I have been a big fan of Ansel Adams, Edwin Weston and Gordon parks. These men are iconic in the field of photography, they are also film photographers. In the one semester of "Intro to photography," I had the privileged of watching a filmed-interview of these men and they all used darkroom techniques to make the final print. However; I will say that there is some merit to getting the photo as close to perfect in the camera as possible, there will be less editing needed, but no editing, I find that hard to believe. Maybe some people have a different idea of what is a perfect or good pic?
-Stanley

taken with Nikon D100 w/18-55 kit lens, little editing w/windows live

846Studios

Agreed 100%

Jwilliams0469 Loc: Topeka, Ks.

You know, I was out at the lake the other day and had a man walk up to me and told me the same thing... He came to me after seeing me shooting photographs of the garden house. We talked a little bit about the photography I shoot and I asked him about his. He too uses only film... He was telling me about the film and how much better than digital. "Only a real photographer could understand what I mean by that" he says as he walked away. I continued to shoot my photographs and he as well down the way. All I could think about was what he said. I got so frustrated that I packed up my gear and headed for him. I reached him only to ask what he meant by "only a real photographer". He started rambling on and on and finally I cut his words to ask him a smart remark question. "Have you ever tried to sell or have you sold any of your photographs?" His reply was "Well I tried online and at a local competition and had no luck. But that's only because people around here don't know a good photograph from a bad one." I laughed and walked away with a kind smile on my face.

I've been doing portrait photography for 5 years and counting and have had no complaints. In other words "I sell my photographs!"

I agree with everyone else. P/P is something that just happens sometimes needed and not so often not.

LittleRedFish Loc: Naw'lens (New Orleans)

I guess it go back to the question, "what is a real Photographer".

Jwilliams0469 Loc: Topeka, Ks.

I honestly don't think the first two who posted could have explained it any better! Both of them are really helpful and have a way of explaining very clearly most of the time and by that I mean 98% of the time. A real photographer in my opinion is anyone who enjoys every minute of every piece of art they create! I know I do and the others as well. You, me, and them are all REAL PHOTOGRAPHERS! :thumbup:

BigD Loc: The LEFT Coast

See at the heart of the "real photographers" and Post Processing issue is a person that is stuck in the old ways. I remember when digital was first starting to become used. I had a Canon F1 (anyone remember that baby?) and an assortment of AE1's and the like. I used Fuji for greens and Landscapes, Kodachrome for stuff I wanted to really pop when I had a Type "R" print made. And I bought my film from a "real" Pro Camera Shop and it was kept in the fridge. As digital came around I jumped on that bandwagon early and never looked back. Things are so good now that those that can't let go of their film cameras can't deny it so they are searching for a way to justify their beliefs and they use the PP "ability" to do it. Ever meet someone that says that vinyl records sound better than CD's? Bottom line is digital (cameras and software) have taken Photography to a level unheard of in the film days and anyone with an open mind knows it. The ability to tweak images using software is a marvel that "they" probably can't comprehend so they attack it. They probably still smoke and think that Fluoride in the Drinking water is a government plot to control our minds too.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

be carefull guys those film ludites are here in force and will react like you insulted their mama and spit on their pagan god kodakius. this argument probably started back when george eastman introduced roll film and the kodak brownie and thouse using coated glass plates poopooed it. when minolta introduced auto focus there was grumbling, when the first apeture priority camera was introduced there was grumbling, hell when the first light meter inside a camera was introduced there was grumbling, not to mention poloroid etc. Every introduction of new technology in photography produces a LUDDITE backlash from the snobs. I like film shoot fillm occasionaly but will never say 35mm film photography is superior to digital. it isn't and the pop photo respected labatory proved it over 5 years ago. Oh and one poster threw a double red flag down with his cd's are better than lp's comment because a nameless ludite on this site also believes that rubbish. some people are just terrified by the new and differerent.

BigD Loc: The LEFT Coast

Sinatraman, exactly my point. I have seen it in so many differing things where the "new" is poopooed by the old crowd. Imagine how were gonna feel when they invent a lens that cost $5 that can go from 1.5 mm to 1000 mm at f/1.1? I'll bet all the guys that have $10K plus in lenses will bad mouth it too, tear apart its performance and what not haha.

LittleRedFish Loc: Naw'lens (New Orleans)

It'sfunny that person seemed to be very young. They also appeared to have some serious personality issues.
I'm attaching one of my "old timey" film grain type pictures I took this pass summer.
You still can get that look P/P in photoshopgraphy. LOL

old shrimp boat

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

very nice. the grain adds texture and an old time feel to the shot.

LittleRedFish Loc: Naw'lens (New Orleans)

According to Webster a Photography is ;a person who takes photographs, esp as an occupation. Real means; actual, true, sencere. Not pretended.
So a "real photographer" is someone who does not pretend to take pictures, But does. No mention of P/P.
This is getting real twisted. LOL

bobmielke Loc: Portland, OR

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alimc060405 Loc: Livermore, CA

I like the image, but I think you should make it black and white, but leave the color of the boat and the bouy. There is a pole at the top of the image that I don't think is that important so I say make that black and white too. I'll show you what I mean with one of my images that I did this to. Please feel free to tell me what you think.

LittleRedFish Loc: Naw'lens (New Orleans)

I assume you did not look at the skiff on the first page..I made some adjustments in the color there.

On the second picture, I agree about the post. I did not like about the top. Your eye is good. Thank you.

Now on your picture, to be honest, I'm not usualy a fan B&W photo with the single item in color. Yours is very nice and the pop of color makes it more interesting. But maybe instead of all B&W try just reducing the red some in the overall picture and leave the shed in full color.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

I am actualy suprised that none of the purists has posted a response yet. Thank God. This is a subject that can easily flame out of control if not carefull. By the way real photographers post process, but real men don't eat quiche nor stop and ask for directions :lol: :D