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Aug 13, 2013 17:14:17   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
hj wrote:
If you have not pursued a personal relationship with God, then you will not KNOW, experience answered prayer, peace even in turmoil. Why does it seem that more intelligence precludes God? ... because the smarter a person is the more they trust in their own insight / intelligence and believe they are themselves all-knowing. Atheists have never convinced anyone how the wonderous world began without God. The preciseness of the universe, the marvel of the human body, animals and plants.... the regularity of the seasons, the stability of a solar system... NONE OF THIS RESULTED FROM A "BIG BANG". It has to be God. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't cause Him not to exist. So many true accounts of atheists on their deathbed recanting their belief. It will be too late for many.
If you have not pursued a personal relationship wi... (show quote)

How can you have a personal relationship with something that doesn't exist"? Uh, excuse me. He, she or it does exist, between your ears. The power of positive thinking can help people in certain situations. It's called the placebo effect.

You have experienced "answered prayer"? How many of your prayers were NEVER answered? Even 'psychics' guess right once in a while. Is this the 'Christian god' that you speak of? The one that looks like us or god the father, the spirit that takes no form? Or maybe god looks like Jabba the Hut.

Don't you think for a second that if you were born in Iran you would be Muslim? Wouldn't you be quoting the Koran instead of the babble?

You have a personal relationship with god? Does he have a personal relationship with you? Does he call you HJ? How do you know that? Is it a feeling? Did god actually speak to you? God has had 120 billion people to deal with. What's his game? Does he need more followers to adore and worship him? If I were god, I would care less and end all this BS that's been going on for 13.8 billion years.

Atheists don't have a belief, they have a non-belief. Give me ONE example of the "MANY true accounts of atheists on their deathbed recanting their belief (non-belief)."

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Aug 13, 2013 17:19:46   #
BlowingBubbles Loc: Texas
 
soli wrote:
Intelligent people understand evolution!!! Creation has not got one shred of evidence to support it, again something that is so obvious to the intelligent.



Okay, where is the evidence of evolution, other than the evolution within a species to adapt to it's environment for survival? We know that type of evolution is fact. But where is the evidence that one cell slithered out of some primordial soup and evolved into everything we know? Where is the fossil record? How did we procreate before we evolution into male and female? And wouldn't being androgynous be more efficient than needing two to procreate, so why did we evolve into male and female? Did all have breasts to nourish the offspring? Since we can't live without our vital organs did they all come in at one time, like when breasts, hips and body hair comes at puberty? It take more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in creation.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:24:37   #
BlowingBubbles Loc: Texas
 
RixPix wrote:
I don't have to "believe" anything...knowledge is power. Religion is like Santa Claus...once you KNOW the truth and get over the loss of "magic" you look back and wonder how you could have been so gullible. The signs of the truth were always there but you were blinded by your belief and fear of knowing the truth.



I was reading a book that referenced an article in the June 2005 Discover magazine regarding quantum theory. The article is quite long and much of it over my head considering I only hold a lowly associates degree in nursing. The article states:
About 80 years ago, scientists discovered that it is possible to be in two locations at the same time---at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics. At that size range, every bit of matter and energy exists in a state of blurry flux, allowing it to occupy not just two locations but an infinite number of them simultaneously. The world we see follows a totally different set of rules.
What nobody can explain is why the universe seems split into these two separate and irreconcilable realities. If everything in the universe is made of quantum things, why don't we see quantum effects in everyday life? Many physicists find this issue so vexing that they ignore it entirely. Instead, they focus on what does work about their theories. The equations of quantum mechanics do a fantastic job describing the behavior of particles in an atom smasher, the nuclear reactions that make the sun shine, and the chemical processes that underlie biology.
The maddening part of that problem is that the ability of particles to
exist in two places at once is not a mere theoretical abstraction. It
is a very real aspect of how the subatomic world works, and it has been
experimentally confirmed many times over.


So if this is true, then it must be possible for another reality to exist of which we are not aware? We can't see with the naked eye the reality of quantum mechanics at work, but the fact that it exists doesn't change because we can't see it. In the scope of life in the confines of our world man is intelligent, but our understanding and knowledge is confined to what we can experience in the here and now of our reality. God is not confined to our reality.

Romans 1:18-22
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:27:11   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Joyfullee wrote:
Actually, you don't understand.

Through the passage of time, God has proved Himself faithful and loving to me.

It has little to do with me and everything to do with God Himself.

Blessings


Okay, if that is what you believe, that's what you believe.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:30:07   #
ConnieLynn
 
magicray wrote:
I agree with you, unless, of course, one is a masochist. I would also like to add that Moses didn't invent morality and goodness when he wrote the ten commandments. Many cultures long before Moses had established social mores as did many deities before the birth of Jesus professed a virgin birth, miracle working, the crucifixion and a resurrection. Mythology at best. :thumbup:


Moses did not invent or write the ten commandments, God did. Read Exodus 20.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:33:01   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Snapdragon57 wrote:
I was reading a book that referenced an article in the June 2005 Discover magazine regarding quantum theory. The article is quite long and much of it over my head considering I only hold a lowly associates degree in nursing. The article states:
About 80 years ago, scientists discovered that it is possible to be in two locations at the same time---at least for an atom or a subatomic particle, such as an electron. For such tiny objects, the world is governed by a madhouse set of physical laws known as quantum mechanics. At that size range, every bit of matter and energy exists in a state of blurry flux, allowing it to occupy not just two locations but an infinite number of them simultaneously. The world we see follows a totally different set of rules.
What nobody can explain is why the universe seems split into these two separate and irreconcilable realities. If everything in the universe is made of quantum things, why don't we see quantum effects in everyday life? Many physicists find this issue so vexing that they ignore it entirely. Instead, they focus on what does work about their theories. The equations of quantum mechanics do a fantastic job describing the behavior of particles in an atom smasher, the nuclear reactions that make the sun shine, and the chemical processes that underlie biology.
The maddening part of that problem is that the ability of particles to
exist in two places at once is not a mere theoretical abstraction. It
is a very real aspect of how the subatomic world works, and it has been
experimentally confirmed many times over.


So if this is true, then it must be possible for another reality to exist of which we are not aware? We can't see with the naked eye the reality of quantum mechanics at work, but the fact that it exists doesn't change because we can't see it. In the scope of life in the confines of our world man is intelligent, but our understanding and knowledge is confined to what we can experience in the here and now of our reality. God is not confined to our reality.

Romans 1:18-22
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.
I was reading a book that referenced an article in... (show quote)


I love the way theists look to science only when it might support their beliefs. But ignore simple math and proven theories. Tell me, how old is the earth?

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Aug 13, 2013 17:35:17   #
Highlake Loc: Yucaipa, CA
 
Joyfullee wrote:
Actually, you don't understand.

Through the passage of time, God has proved Himself faithful and loving to me.

It has little to do with me and everything to do with God Himself.

Blessings


:thumbup: :D

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Aug 13, 2013 17:40:24   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
taffthetooth wrote:
RiverNan wrote:oh yeah...virgin birth and rising from the dead...how does anyone believe that?

As I said in my earlier post this is a matter of world view. If there is no God then of course you can't have people raising from the dead, but Christians don't say this happened naturally.

World view is a concept that Christians have latched onto to explain the existence of their christian god. They offer their concept of world view as PROOF of god. More nonsense that goes around amd around and ends nowhere and proves nothing. Instead of saying my god is better than your god they now claim my world view is better that your vorld view. Another LEARNED, INDOCTRINATED response from organized religion to defend the indefensible.

You stated "CHRISTIANS don't say this happened naturally. Are you the spokesperson for all Christians? There are 33,000+ "Christian" denominations. I certainly don't claim to speak for all atheists or agnostics.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:41:43   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
RixPix wrote:
I don't have to "believe" anything...knowledge is power. Religion is like Santa Claus...once you KNOW the truth and get over the loss of "magic" you look back and wonder how you could have been so gullible. The signs of the truth were always there but you were blinded by your belief and fear of knowing the truth.



You are proof that "gullibleness" and "intelligence" and mutually exclusive.

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Aug 13, 2013 17:44:28   #
jcave Loc: Cecilia, Kentucky
 
Croce, I have the same problem with deer hunters trying to convince me that venison tastes wonderful . . . if it is prepared according to their method. I know proselyters can be annoying, but they can be wonderful, well-meaning people if treated with kindness instead of like vermin. I'm still waiting for the Church of Free Love to come knocking on my door, but so far the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have been the only ones. Even so, they are good people I commend for being true to their own beliefs even if they are not my own.

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Aug 13, 2013 18:19:34   #
BlowingBubbles Loc: Texas
 
RixPix wrote:
I love the way theists look to science only when it might support their beliefs. But ignore simple math and proven theories. Tell me, how old is the earth?


I have no idea how old the earth is. If I knew I would tell you. Science says billions of years old and the Bible six thousand years old. This does not deter me from my belief in God. Like I said before, God is not constrained by our reality.

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Aug 13, 2013 18:28:03   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Some of you believers are lashing out against non believers in non Christian ways. Whats up, talk the talk, and walk the walk. No name calling in anger please.

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Aug 13, 2013 18:30:44   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
ConnieLynn wrote:
Moses did not invent or write the ten commandments, God did. Read Exodus 20.


Watch One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest while you're at it.

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Aug 13, 2013 18:32:54   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Highlake wrote:
:thumbup: :D


You're serious, aren't' you?

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Aug 13, 2013 18:32:58   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
As St Peter was showing a new group of arrivals the beauty of Heaven they walked past a tall wall. Voices on the other side of the wall were heard. A new comer asked St peter what the noise was and he replied, Shh!! that's the Christians, they think they are up here alone.

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