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Aug 13, 2013 13:10:11   #
Morrisdh Loc: Pisgah Alabama
 
Tom G, No Tom it wasn't what you said that bothers me,
it was the beginning of this thread. As I said each to
their own. I think I've said enough and I feel better for
doing so. Have a great day. mdh

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Aug 13, 2013 13:13:01   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Hey Morris,

You can thank Croce for the thread. He has nothing better to do than agitate. (And that's about all you can thank him for.)

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Aug 13, 2013 13:24:30   #
RiverNan Loc: Eastern Pa
 
RixPix wrote:
Take a step back and get a good look at mankind and you'll notice that for the most part man is still primitive, living in what could be considered squalor with survivalist and primitive thought patterns. These people cling to their religions as the false hopes it offers are enticing. So yes, the whole world is wrong about religion and will no doubt grow out of it if it isn't destroyed by it.


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Aug 13, 2013 13:27:02   #
jcave Loc: Cecilia, Kentucky
 
Croce, I'm sure you've had a million responses, yet I feel compelled to add my own without reading others first. If you speak of 'religious' as being those associated with any organized sect or church, I might tend to agree. However, I see two flaws. The first is that too many intelligent people are so infatuated with their own intelligence and that of others that it becomes a religion in itself. It has been said that in America we worship everything from Jesus to Jack Daniels. The second flaw I see is that an atheist would have no more success proving that their is no God than a believer would dave in proving that there is. Both groups may be equally lacking in intelligence.

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Aug 13, 2013 13:30:49   #
Frank 2012 Loc: Olathe, Kansas
 
Croce wrote:
Interesting but not at all surprising. Sorry Jesus Freaks but you do not want we ungodly to have our own forum so here I am with nowhere else to post this: Written by Rob Waugh 15 hours ago Yahoo! News

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies. Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.

The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say, “Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”

As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded, “Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that, “58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.” The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement,” because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write. “More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote.

If any of you god folk have trouble understanding what is written above, please feel free to ask me for assistance. Being non religious and non superstitious, I posses the intelligence necessary to help you understand.
Interesting but not at all surprising. Sorry Jesus... (show quote)


Thank you for your post. I have always wanted to hear from the main person on earth that has the super intelligence to explain how the universe was created, how the earth was created so perfectly as oppossed to the other barren planets.
Please explain why you are you and I am me and why there are people, animals, birds, insects, water, and what is the purpose
of everything. Since you possess the intelligence necessary to help me understand ....please do so.

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Aug 13, 2013 13:43:37   #
COI Jack Loc: Missouri
 
There is no purpose. There is no meaning. Once that is accepted, the rest comes a lot easier. I so very much wish that there was an all loving, all knowing God that had a plan just for me and That all I had to do is say, "I believe!" Belief is not a faucet. You can't turn it on and off. When the preponderance of evidence supports that all existing religions are wrong, I shun belief.

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Aug 13, 2013 13:49:16   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
COI Jack wrote:
There is no purpose. There is no meaning. Once that is accepted, the rest comes a lot easier. I so very much wish that there was an all loving, all knowing God that had a plan just for me and That all I had to do is say, "I believe!" Belief is not a faucet. You can't turn it on and off. When the preponderance of evidence supports that all existing religions are wrong, I shun belief.


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Aug 13, 2013 13:52:49   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Joyfullee wrote:
The OP has some truth running through it, but not the whole truth.

Luk 16:8
"And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

Strong's for: wiser

1) intelligent, wise
2) prudent, i.e. mindful of one's interests

The other side of the coin is that we are told in God's Word that:
1. Satan is the god of this world
2. We (believers) are to come out of the world...meaning not to think, act, believe as the world, as a whole does.

True born again believers have as their teacher the indwelling Holy Spirit, unbelievers have no access to this teacher.

Unbelievers cannot receive spiritual teaching of understanding God's Word or the ways of God.

Unbelievers are therefore "wiser" in the things or ways of this world and believers are wiser in relation to the things of God or spiritual things.

This "world" holds in high esteem intellect, personal riches, power, fame and great wealth of personal possessions. The "world's" beliefs or standards of success is far different than God's. These are Satan's definition of "success" which the "world" has bought into. None of these things mean anything in God's definition of success.

Success from God's point is believing in His Son Jesus, being indwelt with the gift of His Holy Spirit and following the Holy Spirit's guiding into fulfilling God's individual purpose for one's life.

Everyone therefore, even a young child or one who has been born with less "intelligence" has the opportunity to be equally successful in life from God's righteous judgments.
The OP has some truth running through it, but not ... (show quote)


Hey, it is JUST a STORY...believe it if you like or are you at a point where you are hoping it is true and posting it someone shores up you sagging faith?

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Aug 13, 2013 15:05:16   #
ConnieLynn
 
RixPix wrote:
The odd thing this there is no salvation necessary.


Really, tell me what is necessary?

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Aug 13, 2013 15:19:30   #
ConnieLynn
 
Tom G wrote:
There is really no proof about the cause of anything - yes, I said anything. (Cause is the operative word here)

However, the preponderance of scientific evidence supports evolution and the Big Bang Theory.

Creationism has no scientific proof whatsoever


it takes great faith to believe in the Big Bang Theory. I personally choose to believe that I was create by a superior being, God, than to think my ancestors are a tadpole or gorilla. I believe in God and feel his presence in my life. I also have peace knowing that if I am wrong I'm only 6 feet under when I die but if I'm right I'm going to heaven not HELL. Is that not a peace that you would love to have? Where are you going when you die? Just 6 feet under or HELL?

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Aug 13, 2013 15:28:52   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
jcave wrote:
Croce, I'm sure you've had a million responses, yet I feel compelled to add my own without reading others first. If you speak of 'religious' as being those associated with any organized sect or church, I might tend to agree. However, I see two flaws. The first is that too many intelligent people are so infatuated with their own intelligence and that of others that it becomes a religion in itself. It has been said that in America we worship everything from Jesus to Jack Daniels. The second flaw I see is that an atheist would have no more success proving that their is no God than a believer would dave in proving that there is. Both groups may be equally lacking in intelligence.
Croce, I'm sure you've had a million responses, ye... (show quote)

I hear it all the time, “it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in God.” This popular Christian argument claims that in order for atheists to reject the claim that god exists, we must first know everything that there is to know. What those who use this argument are basically saying is that atheists must know the entire set of facts about the universe before we can look and that set as a whole and see that their God is not included in that set of facts. Of course this argument is just absurd.

First it claims that atheists are claiming to know with faith-based, dogmatic, absolute certainty that God does not exist. While some atheists might claim that, this is really just a false caricature or “strawman” of what most atheists think. Most atheists simply see no evidence and thus no valid reason to believe.

Second, this argument assumes that we have to know what is in order to know what isn’t. I’m not a computer expert and so if someone asked me how computers work, I really couldn’t tell them. But if someone told me that there is a gerbil inside running on a wheel which powers the computer, I would be more that just a bit skeptical of such a claim. In truth, I would call such a claim ridiculous and so would you.

Even though I don’t personally know how computers work, I am reasonably certain that gerbils are not involved. I would need to see some pretty solid evidence to convince me otherwise. I don’t need to know everything about computers to know that gerbils running in a wheel inside my computer are not in that set of facts. Common sense informs me that gerbils do not power the computer. So the claim that one must know everything that is, in order to know one thing that isn’t, is just absurd.

Third, this argument focuses on the Christian God, but we could really switch that focus to anything or even any god for that matter. What about the God Zeus? Christians would have to admit that if their argument is true and that in order to reject belief in something, we would need to know everything, than they would have to admit that they should also believe in the God Zeus because to not believe would mean that they know everything about the universe and see that Zeus is not in that set of knowledge. It is just such an absurdly ridiculous argument and yet Christians seem to use it all the time.

They seem to forget that their particular god isn’t the only god ever imagined. The fact is that it still takes more faith to believe in imagined deities than it does to simply not believe in such absurdities.-Staks Rosch

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Aug 13, 2013 15:34:39   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
So many people can't see beyond their nose, I don't care if you're a believer or not.

BUT guess who's gaining and filling the void.

When you're is head on the floor on your prayer mat,just try to open your mouth, you'll loose your head.

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Aug 13, 2013 15:46:23   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Croce wrote:
Valid point Ray. I have met some pathetically stupid, loser teachers. There is a lot of merit to what Mr. Russell is famous for observing.
I agree, especially theologians.

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Aug 13, 2013 15:49:39   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
taffthetooth wrote:
LMAO, what about the Nobel Prize winners who are Religious from differant Faiths? What about the many scientists from the differant disciplines who hold a Faith? It's only stupid atheists who belive this crap.
The stupid atheists believe, the intelligent ones know.

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Aug 13, 2013 15:53:35   #
magicray Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
taffthetooth wrote:
In addition, being Religious is not an issue of inteligence
but a World View one.
You said it taff, "being religious is not an issue of intelligence" I totally agree!

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