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Dec 27, 2011 17:09:07   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
AvailableLight wrote:
Just a quick and dirty change to show with more work , how a photo can be saved...
No need to do anything to this one, this is not the thread purpose.
This is a slide made out of a negative for sales purposes mad in 1989 and sold at about 50 samples, framed and sent to various offices in the US, so, thanks but no thanks.

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Dec 27, 2011 17:38:14   #
AvailableLight Loc: NYC skyline out my window...
 
English_Wolf wrote:
AvailableLight wrote:
Just a quick and dirty change to show with more work , how a photo can be saved...
No need to do anything to this one, this is not the thread purpose.
This is a slide made out of a negative for sales purposes mad in 1989 and sold at about 50 samples, framed and sent to various offices in the US, so, thanks but no thanks.


Hmmm... Ok...

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Dec 27, 2011 23:35:17   #
BGenie Loc: Sacramento, CA
 
So here is my question to the OP (GWMH):
What are you trying to accomplish with this thread?
...Are you trying to figure out how to 'save' bad photos,
...or are you wanting to learn photography techniques so that you don't take bad photos in the future (and not have to waste time doing extreme PP to get a natural look)?

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Dec 27, 2011 23:59:26   #
GWMH Loc: Kisumu, Kenya, East Africa
 
AvailableLight wrote:
GWMH wrote:
I was asked by my friend to take a portrait for him. This is my first attempt at portrait photography, and I was wondering what your opinions are? Critique welcome, and I'm wearing a hard hat :)
Also, feel free to edit them any way you please.

Specs: tripod-mounted Nikon D3000, 18-200mm lens, two speedlights (one bounced off ceiling, the other used with a Stofen Omni-bounce.
both photos: 1/30sec. @ f/5.6 ISO 200 focal length 52mm

My try...

Happy Holidays!...
GWMH's little bro
I was asked by my friend to take a portrait for hi... (show quote)
quote=GWMH I was asked by my friend to take a por... (show quote)


That's not too bad...can't speak for the second photo tho.

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Dec 28, 2011 00:01:29   #
GWMH Loc: Kisumu, Kenya, East Africa
 
BGenie wrote:
So here is my question to the OP (GWMH):
What are you trying to accomplish with this thread?
...Are you trying to figure out how to 'save' bad photos,
...or are you wanting to learn photography techniques so that you don't take bad photos in the future (and not have to waste time doing extreme PP to get a natural look)?


I just wanted to see what y'all think of it, and I guess I got it. Plus I wanted to see what should be done differently if I'd try something like this again (got that too). So, thanks to all the comments and ideas! :thumbup:

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Dec 28, 2011 09:44:23   #
DANthephotoMAN
 
Save for the ultra-disturbing black background, they are really something!

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Dec 28, 2011 09:51:35   #
Dria Loc: Ohio
 
GWMH wrote:
BGenie wrote:
If his skin isn't normally pinkish/red, then that is probably being caused by your flash. I'd suggest using some natural light from a window to get rid of it.

Second, his face is 'looking' one direction, his eyes are looking another, he body language is 'stiff' and uncomfortable as well.
If you have a remote control for your camera, use it. Have him looking and talking in your direction as you stand off to the side of the frame, at least 2-3 feet away from the camera. Hold the remote behind your back so that (1) he can't see you click the shutter therefore, he does not have the chance to stiffen up and give you that fake smile, and (2) so that the remote is in line-of-sight of the cameras' receiver, this way you do not have to turn away from him to click the shutter. Just be sure you are standing to the side of the camera, not in front of it!
Also, remember this isn't a proctologist exam, you aren't going to get out the KY and a rubber glove, so he should just relax and think of pleasant things, and it's YOUR job to get him thinking that way! Talk to him about some girl, remind him of something funny in your childhood etc... coax that natural smile and relaxed body language from him.
If his skin isn't normally pinkish/red, then that ... (show quote)


Yeah, his skin is naturally rather pinkish/red, so I think that's fairly normal. I was using a remote release, but he usually knew when the picture was coming...I guess he does look a little stiff/unnatural, but, hey, it was my first time!
quote=BGenie If his skin isn't normally pinkish/r... (show quote)


Your first and his posing for you...
get him to do a bunch with you..
hint..
1st-- look at a bunch websites or google images for poses so you have an idea where you want your lights and the instructions you want to give him then...
go to a movie together then come home-- do a photo shoot while talking about the movie. you will get relaxed expressions and some fun shots of him-- he is a cute guy with nice features.
this will be a terrific way to practice.
HAVE some fun with this!

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Dec 28, 2011 11:00:07   #
senad55verizon.net Loc: Milford, NJ
 
A couple of comments: 1) Did you remember to set your camera's white balance to "Flash"? 2) Your very slow shutter speed is an invitation to light contamination from any other source in the vicinity. Speedlights are called that because their duration is !/1000th of a second or less. A shutter speed longer than that exposes the sensor to additional light from any other source that's around. Using a speedlight, set your shutter to the shortest exposure time that will sync with your flash unit.

In any case, you should have no trouble correcting the color cast in post-processing software.

Good first try! Keep at it.

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Dec 28, 2011 11:49:40   #
joe west Loc: Taylor, Michigan
 
nice pic, well here's my 2 cents worth, hope you like it



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Dec 28, 2011 12:04:29   #
KimParks Loc: Kenosha, WI
 
Someone posted this site which I put in my favorites for easy access it has great tips.
http://lumitouch.com/benstudiotutorial/LightPoseGuideRules.html
Good Luck and happy shooting

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Dec 28, 2011 13:41:57   #
Dheaton Loc: Boulder, Utah
 
I agree with most of the comments made already but would like to add to them.
I learned along time ago that you start with one light and only add another when you are good at the one. In my opinion you reallly need some seperation light behind the subject. The overall image is flat.

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Dec 28, 2011 14:51:19   #
arteest Loc: Arizona since 2007
 
EXACTLY what I was thinking. (KY... too funny)


BGenie wrote:
If his skin isn't normally pinkish/red, then that is probably being caused by your flash. I'd suggest using some natural light from a window to get rid of it.

Second, his face is 'looking' one direction, his eyes are looking another, he body language is 'stiff' and uncomfortable as well.
If you have a remote control for your camera, use it. Have him looking and talking in your direction as you stand off to the side of the frame, at least 2-3 feet away from the camera. Hold the remote behind your back so that (1) he can't see you click the shutter therefore, he does not have the chance to stiffen up and give you that fake smile, and (2) so that the remote is in line-of-sight of the cameras' receiver, this way you do not have to turn away from him to click the shutter. Just be sure you are standing to the side of the camera, not in front of it!
Also, remember this isn't a proctologist exam, you aren't going to get out the KY and a rubber glove, so he should just relax and think of pleasant things, and it's YOUR job to get him thinking that way! Talk to him about some girl, remind him of something funny in your childhood etc... coax that natural smile and relaxed body language from him.
If his skin isn't normally pinkish/red, then that ... (show quote)

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Dec 28, 2011 14:58:12   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
GWMH wrote:
I was asked by my friend to take a portrait for him. This is my first attempt at portrait photography, and I was wondering what your opinions are? Critique welcome, and I'm wearing a hard hat :)
Also, feel free to edit them any way you please.

Specs: tripod-mounted Nikon D3000, 18-200mm lens, two speedlights (one bounced off ceiling, the other used with a Stofen Omni-bounce.
both photos: 1/30sec. @ f/5.6 ISO 200 focal length 52mm


GWMH's little bro


Well, Nikon digicams shift to the red, a bit, in general. This is part of the reason there is a bit too much warmth in the color images. Careful use of white balance is a good thing on Nikon digicams. I shoot both the D2xs and the D7000 and have seen the "camera shift" which is easily handled in post. The reason Nikon and Fujichrome/Agfa, on the film side, tend to shift warm is that people look healthier this way. Sometimes, based on exterior exposure, which shifts BLUE, particularly in open shadow, the red shift is close to the right compensation. Open shade is a very popular location for photography, of course. It all fits, in an odd way.

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Dec 28, 2011 16:06:25   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
KimParks wrote:
Someone posted this site which I put in my favorites for easy access it has great tips.
http://lumitouch.com/benstudiotutorial/LightPoseGuideRules.html
Good Luck and happy shooting


I looked at that page, and while it expounds on a set of rules which create the repeatable ordinary, which is the stuff of cookie cutter commercial photography. I further note none of the work on the page captures the imagination. This is due to the entire process focusing on technique, with the subject (the person in the portrait) being an object.

It is only when the person in your portrait becomes a SUBJECT that portraits achieve the next level. A subject of a photo communicates to the viewing audience beyond the camera. It is a subtle distinction, but it elevates portraiture beyond product photography.

Photographically, you need to know what you are doing. Lighting is key. But that lighting can just be daylight, if you control it. As to the posing rules and do's and dont's, all this shrinks in importance when you develop the skill to draw the subject out of your portrait.

I've attached a couple daylight portraits done on my Daylight Stage. Instead of strobes, we use lighting controls, additive and subtractive. While you can easily spend tens of thousands of dollars on a decent set of studio lighting, daylight controls can be had and built for maybe $1,500 - $2,000. The images shown were taken mid-day to early afternoon, in full sun, completely controlled.

Daylight Portrait
Daylight Portrait...

Another Daylight Portrait
Another Daylight Portrait...

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Dec 28, 2011 23:07:45   #
nadine10 Loc: Portales New Mexico
 
You have received a lot of good info. For your first try, it was good. Keep trying.

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