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Sep 21, 2011 18:07:54   #
Leopold Lysloff
 
Greetings gessman and thank you as well for your interesting and valued input. These forums are a great way for any of us to gain from as well as to give to.
Many participants have great ideas and intentions as they seek ways to help or improve their hobby (photography in this case).
I have had a lot fun and hopefully able to offer whatever I can to get a better "picture" for all of us.

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Sep 21, 2011 18:24:49   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Leopold Lysloff wrote:
Greetings gessman and thank you as well for your interesting and valued input. These forums are a great way for any of us to gain from as well as to give to.
Many participants have great ideas and intentions as they seek ways to help or improve their hobby (photography in this case).
I have had a lot fun and hopefully able to offer whatever I can to get a better "picture" for all of us.


It is an enjoyable and enlightening occasion to participate in this forum, my first experience at it.

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Sep 21, 2011 19:09:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
New here. Like the responsive interaction. Agree that the better gear generally offers an edge in image quality, although often subtle. Repeating myself, I've found knowing my gear and using it with competence after a learning curve allows me to take better pictures. Budding photographers want shortcuts. Some exist, like workshops, classroom instruction, and getting firsthand advice from an experienced photographer. I taught myself. Looking back, though, I'd follow my own advice, in order to advance faster. In the end, doing photography requires practice because a skill. This fact means shooting many pictures while learning from one's mistakes.

One from Capitol Reef N.P.
One from Capitol Reef N.P....

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Sep 21, 2011 19:35:53   #
evandr Loc: Tooele, Utah
 
B Was Here wrote:
evandr wrote:
Cameras will come and cameras will go but good glass will serve you well for generations if taken care of. I am of the mind that getting the best and growing into it will be the most satisfying, efficient and cost effective method in the long run.

I understand that many times a person's budget does not allow for a $1400 to $2000 lens but brands like Sigma, Tameron, and others are up and coming and should be looked into. I think Nikkor is shooting itself in the foot with their competition by pricing themselves so high because it will not be long before the only real difference is the bragging rights. I'm going pro so Nikon lenses are the only ones I currently buy ($$ouch$$) but my lenses usefulness will outlast me. I have heard excellent reviews on other brands so I will not downplay them and would not hesitate to recommend that a person look seriously at them. For me if you buy cheap you will learn cheap and upgrading will require you to unlearn a few things and bad habits are hard to break.

My advice for someone not looking to go pro but wants to take excellent pictures is to first decide what you want to take pictures of the most and get a good lens for that purpose. Keep the zoom range narrow, I personally do not like lenses that cover the 18mm - 300mm range but for someone who wants a single good lens for a lifetime of general shooting this may be the lens for you (provided you bite the bullet and get the best one on the market) but I know of no working professionals who routinely use one.

The best general purpose lens out there is the 50mm f/1.4 because the human eye (loosely speaking) is a 50mm lens, there have been very well known pros before the digital age that never used anything else but a 50mm lens.

If you're serious about photography, even as a hobbyist or the family snapshooter who wants to be a cut above, save, save, save and get the best lenses, you will not regret it because they will perform well and hold their resale values far better than a cheap lens.
Cameras will come and cameras will go but good gla... (show quote)

This is true but since he's on a 600d with a 1.6x crop a 28 or a 35mm would be closer to a 50mm equivalent field of view. With a 50 mm it would be closer to 80 mm on a crop camera like the 600d.
quote=evandr Cameras will come and cameras will g... (show quote)


You are correct, on a DX camera a good 35mm lens would probably be more satisfying as a first or only lens, however, field of view considerations aside, even on a DX camera the image from a 50mm would still more closely approximate what the human eye would see if it were looking through a clear 1.6x rectangle in a pair of black glasses; anything below 50mm will introduce comparative distortion via compression even though such distortion may not register (as it would with a picture taken with a fisheye lens) in the eye-brain connection.

That is what makes what the eye-brain connection sees better than any lens-camera picture will ever be capable of - the ability to "tune out" some degree of compression, as well as blending grain in a blown-up or telephoto image, so that it does not register with the person looking at the photograph.

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Sep 21, 2011 19:37:15   #
evandr Loc: Tooele, Utah
 
anotherview wrote:
New here. Like the responsive interaction. Agree that the better gear generally offers an edge in image quality, although often subtle. Repeating myself, I've found knowing my gear and using it with competence after a learning curve allows me to take better pictures. Budding photographers want shortcuts. Some exist, like workshops, classroom instruction, and getting firsthand advice from an experienced photographer. I taught myself. Looking back, though, I'd follow my own advice, in order to advance faster. In the end, doing photography requires practice because a skill. This fact means shooting many pictures while learning from one's mistakes.
New here. Like the responsive interaction. Agree... (show quote)

I could not agree with you more :thumbup:

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Sep 21, 2011 20:53:59   #
Leopold Lysloff
 
Another nice picture "anotherview".
Black and white has such great charm and lends itself so well to scenes as this.
It appears that you may have used a yellow filter (unless the sky was unusually contrasty). Nice result that shows how big and wide that mountainous area is.
Like most hobbies that bring the passion out of us, photography is a lifetime of success and failures with occasional surprises that get our adrenalin rushing to never stop.
Creating something worthwhile does require some vision and planning if it is to be successful. Good equipment can add to that success, especially if you use it right. A good painter will always find the best brushes and paints in order to have his work be vibrant and strong to survive many years to come.

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Sep 21, 2011 23:55:34   #
georgeedwards Loc: Essex, Md.
 
First of all, turn on your spell checker. Dose should be does, etc., etc.

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Sep 22, 2011 00:20:46   #
tralain
 
I think you can get great images from a lot of glass out there. I've been very happy with the quality of the independent lens makers when they make a serious effort. I have the non vibration controlled version of Tamron's 17-50 f2.8, and have been very pleased with it, along with their 70-200 f2.8 lens. With the lower quality lenses, you can still usually get quality out of their sweet spots, in the middle of their ranges.

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Sep 22, 2011 00:33:56   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Leopold: Thanks for the kind words. As to the yellow filter, I cannot recall the details of development of this image (back in '09), but I believe I darkened the sky either in post-processing or by a circular polarizer. The sky this way contrasts nicely with the clouds and the land formations. Yes, I tried to bring a sense of the scale of these large, striking uplifts in CRNP. If anybody goes there, I suggest the Scenic Route, running south from the ranger station. You will see sights unlike anything else.

This thread has to do with choice of lenses. I now mainly use a Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4. Carried it with me recently on a 3-week tour of Europe. As a lensmaker, Sigma has been competing strongly with Canon and others. I took the 2 photos below with this lens.

Terraced Homes, Capri
Terraced Homes, Capri...

Harbor, Capri
Harbor, Capri...

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Sep 22, 2011 00:41:17   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Agree with this assessment of third-party lenses. Some lenses, however, like the new Sigma 17-50mm, f/2.8 equate with a similar Canon lens, for practical purposes. We users benefit from the competitive offerings among lenses.

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Sep 22, 2011 00:43:04   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
anotherview wrote:
Agree with this assessment of third-party lenses. Some lenses, however, like the new Sigma 17-50mm, f/2.8 equate with a similar Canon lens, for practical purposes. We users benefit from the competitive offerings among lenses.


Certainly can't argue with those shots. Excellent.

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Sep 22, 2011 00:48:48   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.

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Just for fun, a headshop in Athens...

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Sep 22, 2011 00:55:50   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.


It sure looks to me like you've got it figured out. I'll be watching for more. There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.

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Sep 22, 2011 01:00:03   #
evandr Loc: Tooele, Utah
 
anotherview wrote:
Agree with this assessment of third-party lenses. Some lenses, however, like the new Sigma 17-50mm, f/2.8 equate with a similar Canon lens, for practical purposes. We users benefit from the competitive offerings among lenses.


Hello anotherview, thanks for your input. If I may however suggest that when referencing a particular post that you use the "quote/reply" so that we can link your comment to the post that caused you to make it. I do not know which assessment you are refering to.

Thanks

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Sep 22, 2011 01:10:44   #
evandr Loc: Tooele, Utah
 
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.


There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.


So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the mindÂ’s eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.

I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.

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