Twardlow wrote:
Suggest you remember, testimony is not the same as proof--otherwise, witness would never disagree.
Testimony did not agree on who was attacking whom, but it was not with deadly force until GZ drew his weapon.
No debate with (2).
The greatest threat to a black man in this country has been a white man for four hundred years.
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After reading your reply and "reading between the lines" (i.e.,that which you did not say and could not truthfully say) Thanks for apparently agreeing with me on all three point. In other words, your argument does not stand as opposition to my no. (1) and (3). I think your goal may be to keep people from more wisely using their time.
Bill Coleman wrote:
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After reading your reply and "reading between the lines" (i.e.,that which you did not say and could not truthfully say) Thanks for apparently agreeing with me on all three point. In other words, your argument does not stand as opposition to my no. (1) and (3). I think your goal may be to keep people from more wisely using their time.
I'm afraid you min-read, perhaps intentionally.
Don't know what you mean by "reading between the lines" but suspect you are mid-leading readers.
Apologies if I'm wrong...Tom
KIDNOMO wrote:
The distinction of ethnic origin, my Northern friend is not out of context. Every group identifies their origin. All who are born in America are truly Americans. It's all about what word you choose to make that identification. When I first wrote, I didn't call myself Negro, yet you decided that's what you wanted to label me as. It doesn't really matter what you call me as long as you treat me fairly. Here is a fact you probably have not considered...Africans were the only ethnic group brought to this country against their will. Now that we have made our contribution to building this nation, free labor to the economy, fighting in wars to secure and protect freedoms, we are considered a burden to "Americans". Africa is the land of my heritage but not of my birth. I reject anyone's response to go to a land not of my birth simply because I recognize that dark skin color is perceived by some as inferior and undesirable.
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Well, lets see--I think Negro is a lot nicer than the other 'N' word you guys call yourselves. American is American is American. "against their will"--yep agreed but you weren't so it's really not a argument--slavery is gone and no one owes anyone anything from 150 years ago. You're the one that said dark skin made you feel less an American so that says you aren't that happy here therefore go where you will be is the thought that comes to mind. Can't blame anyone for not though---I wouldn't want to go one of those sh*t holes either. Also I never said you were inferior or undesireable. Lose the chip on the shoulder.
A valuable question would be; If Martin was white, would president Obama ask for a second federal investigation into civil rights issues since Zimmerman was a Hispanic?
If Martin and Zimmerman were both black or white would we even have known of this case?
If the answer is no, then Race is the main focus of this case. Not right or wrong, legal illegal but only Race.
I don't know about you ancestors, Twardlow, but my ancestors never owned a slave, heck, I'm sure a thousand years ago they may have been slaves themselves.
While you are apologizing, maybe you can find it in your heart to apologize to most of western Europe for when the catholic inquisition gave the people the choice of convert or die.
Oh that was not you or your people? Fine well then, we are not nor have ever been a threat to any one here in America. So, maybe you are speaking for yourself. I know you are not speaking for me.
wuzfuzzab wrote:
Well, lets see--I think Negro is a lot nicer than the other 'N' word you guys call yourselves. American is American is American. "against their will"--yep agreed but you weren't so it's really not a argument--slavery is gone and no one owes anyone anything from 150 years ago. You're the one that said dark skin made you feel less an American so that says you aren't that happy here therefore go where you will be is the thought that comes to mind. Can't blame anyone for not though---I wouldn't want to go one of those sh*t holes either. Also I never said you were inferior or undesireable. Lose the chip on the shoulder.
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Like I said, it doesn't matter what you call me as long as I am treated fairly. If I feel that Black people in America are denied access to the economic and social benefits of this country, I have a responsibility to express it. Contrary to what you think my friend, slavery is not gone; not as long as there is no official apology for it. The indigent people of America have been apologized to, the Japanese have been apologized to for their WWll detainment, why not the Americanized Africans? Slavery is a crime and if it is not recognized as a transgression against an ethnic group victimized by it, then slavery and its mentality still exists. Africa was not always a s*hole, at least not until the West tried to carve it up and exploit its resources. That is what has made it undesirable and inferior to being somewhere better. It is no chip My friend of the Great White Way, it is a yoke and your only solution for resolving it is to send us back. 150 to 300 years ago I would agree with you but today I reject that solution. I'm staying and saying.
I'm sorry, but the reason black males are looked at with suspicion is because of their actions. The jails and prisons are full of black men. This is not the fault of white people. Black males find themselves in this situation because of their street thug behavior and ghetto culture. Of course civilized people are going to look at people like that with suspicion.
KIDNOMO wrote:
Like I said, it doesn't matter what you call me as long as I am treated fairly. If I feel that Black people in America are denied access to the economic and social benefits of this country, I have a responsibility to express it. Contrary to what you think my friend, slavery is not gone; not as long as there is no official apology for it. The indigent people of America have been apologized to, the Japanese have been apologized to for their WWll detainment, why not the Americanized Africans? Slavery is a crime and if it is not recognized as a transgression against an ethnic group victimized by it, then slavery and its mentality still exists. Africa was not always a s*hole, at least not until the West tried to carve it up and exploit its resources. That is what has made it undesirable and inferior to being somewhere better. It is no chip My friend of the Great White Way, it is a yoke and your only solution for resolving it is to send us back. 150 to 300 years ago I would agree with you but today I reject that solution. I'm staying and saying.
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I need to add this caveat before leaving this thread: I did not say my dark skin made me feel less American, I am all American. I responded to the quote "I don't care to be known as a Dutch, German, French, Polish American. Just an American would be fine."
I merely suggested that poster add the color of the black American to his melting pot. I think it would make a difference.
wuzfuzzab wrote:
Well, lets see--I think Negro is a lot nicer than the other 'N' word you guys call yourselves. American is American is American. "against their will"--yep agreed but you weren't so it's really not a argument--slavery is gone and no one owes anyone anything from 150 years ago. You're the one that said dark skin made you feel less an American so that says you aren't that happy here therefore go where you will be is the thought that comes to mind. Can't blame anyone for not though---I wouldn't want to go one of those sh*t holes either. Also I never said you were inferior or undesireable. Lose the chip on the shoulder.
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If I might join in...
What's with 'the other N word you guys call yourselves'?
When they use that word about each other, it doesn't stand for degradation, as it does when you (we) use it. Get over it...don't use it; don't even refer to it.
The white man abducted these people 400 years ago, and deprived them ever since. There was no chance for their decent education until about 1965.
We destroyed their family unit for our own commercial convenience, and even now, we try to keep them from voting.
You wouldn't want to go to those sh*t holes, but you don't mean to insult--just his entire culture and heritage.
Pardon me for barging in, it just seemed so uninformed, and so unjust.
I'm gone new...
Twardlow wrote:
If I might join in...
What's with 'the other N word you guys call yourselves'?
When they use that word about each other, it doesn't stand for degradation, as it does when you (we) use it. Get over it...don't use it; don't even refer to it.
The white man abducted these people 400 years ago, and deprived them ever since. There was no chance for their decent education until about 1965.
We destroyed their family unit for our own commercial convenience, and even now, we try to keep them from voting.
You wouldn't want to go to those sh*t holes, but you don't mean to insult--just his entire culture and heritage.
Pardon me for barging in, it just seemed so uninformed, and so unjust.
I'm gone new...
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I think the gatherers of soon to be slaves in Africa were the same race as those gathered. That doesn't excuse those who transported and used them as slaves but the white man did not go chasing natives, their own brothers or cousins did that.
BigMikey wrote:
I'm sorry, but the reason black males are looked at with suspicion is because of their actions. The jails and prisons are full of black men. This is not the fault of white people. Black males find themselves in this situation because of their street thug behavior and ghetto culture. Of course civilized people are going to look at people like that with suspicion.
Big mikey...there is clearly a prejudice in our justice system. Blacks and whites smoke grass at the same rate, but black prisoners for it outnumber whites about four to one--some justice!
Nice knife twist on the last sentence...we're 'civilized,' so they aren't.
That's a "White" touch.
You left out the little sneer...get it next time.
Bye, bye...
Twardlow wrote:
If I might join in...
What's with 'the other N word you guys call yourselves'?
When they use that word about each other, it doesn't stand for degradation, as it does when you (we) use it. Get over it...don't use it; don't even refer to it.
The white man abducted these people 400 years ago, and deprived them ever since. There was no chance for their decent education until about 1965.
We destroyed their family unit for our own commercial convenience, and even now, we try to keep them from voting.
You wouldn't want to go to those sh*t holes, but you don't mean to insult--just his entire culture and heritage.
Pardon me for barging in, it just seemed so uninformed, and so unjust.
I'm gone new...
If I might join in... br br What's with 'the othe... (
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I agree. It should never be said. The proper ethnic name is Negro but Southern speaking whites corrupted the identification with "Nigra" to the present N word that became totally derogatory to black people. I think the use of the N word had become so negative that what was a lemon to some was made into lemonade. It is now an intimate term between blacks that excludes anyone else from using it. Words have a way of evolving and devolving. Praying that the N-word dies for lack of use.
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