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Jul 11, 2013 10:06:22   #
lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona
 
WLaws wrote:
Am I the only liberal Hedgehog?


I am a lifelong registered Republican with a certain amount of Liberal leanings. For example, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell women what to do with their bodies, especially when it concerns their health... I do think a certain amount of socialism benefits people... Corporations are NOT people and never were, people have concience, corporations don't even know the meaning of the word... If we want the services, we have to foot the bill in the form of taxes and there is no two ways about it... Don't vote party line, vote your concience.

There is probably more but this will suffice for now.

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Jul 11, 2013 10:34:09   #
jcjr8
 
ggttc wrote:
I am a liberal when it comes to womens rights to control their own body...but a conservative with regards to 15 yr olds and the morning after pill

I am a liberal when it comes to government programs to help the needy....but the conservative comes out in me and we should put the cheaters on a work farm

I am conservative when it comes to gun control...but liberal when it comes to 30 round clips

I am a conservative when it comes to taxing the rich more...but a liberal when it comes to insidious CEO salaries when the company pays little or no tax.

So I am politcally shcizoid
I am a liberal when it comes to womens rights to c... (show quote)


How do you feel about the Born Alive Infant Protection Law that our current president aggressively opposed? Does the life of a child born alive after a botched abortion deserve the right to life or is he/she still a woman's choice? Planned Parenthood believes even in this case where the child is alive outside the mother's body he/she is still a choice and the mother can have him/her killed. Is this your idea of a "woman's rights to control her own body? Our president thinks so. Liberals think so.

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Jul 11, 2013 10:53:28   #
republican Loc: Glendora. Ca
 
My name says it all

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Jul 11, 2013 10:57:39   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
jcjr8 wrote:
How do you feel about the Born Alive Infant Protection Law that our current president aggressively opposed? Does the life of a child born alive after a botched abortion deserve the right to life or is he/she still a woman's choice? Planned Parenthood believes even in this case where the child is alive outside the mother's body he/she is still a choice and the mother can have him/her killed. Is this your idea of a "woman's rights to control her own body? Our president thinks so. Liberals think so.
How do you feel about the Born Alive Infant Protec... (show quote)


Count me as conservative there...could you post a source for that info...thats got me curious.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:00:06   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
WLaws wrote:
Am I the only liberal Hedgehog?


Are you thinking of coming out of the closet?

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Jul 11, 2013 11:17:40   #
DanDickens2
 
The way to pay for Liberal Programs is via the National Revenue Savings and Trust Accounts. With such a savings program of our Revenue Dollars. within 50 years the nation could run tax free from that point forward, perhaps even sooner if more revenue flows into the accounts. The greatest part of this account is the taxpayer maintains 50% ownership to be used as collateral for loans or earn a dividend or both. And even better as 50% owner of the account - you get to leave it in a will. Thus generation after generation gains ground rather than owing more and more to a national debt. So join the American Resolution Party today - where lying is punishable and Problems are Solved. Ronald Reagan once said, "Well um - government can't solve our problems, well um because government is the problem." So let's either solve the problem or get rid of the problem once and for all.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:23:35   #
WLaws Loc: Denver, CO
 
Oh no Bang -- I have been out of the closet for a long time. It was just as I was reading the posts in the General Chit-Chat today that I was struck, as I am on most days, that the majority of the posts and comments seem to be at the conservative, right-end of the spectrum.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:27:26   #
jcjr8
 
ggttc wrote:
Count me as conservative there...could you post a source for that info...thats got me curious.


Sure. Google "Obama, Gosnell, Planned Parenthood and the Born Alive Infant Protection Acts" for starters. It turns my stomach but it's what's happening and the media refuses to give it coverage.

The problem here is that politics aren't like a Chinese restaurant, you can't choose one item from column A and one from column B. You take it all or none because you only have one vote. Responsible voting isn't always about representing what you believe in, sometimes it must necessarily reflect what you don't believe in more.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:30:54   #
jcjr8
 
lovesphotos wrote:
I am a lifelong registered Republican with a certain amount of Liberal leanings. For example, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell women what to do with their bodies, especially when it concerns their health... I do think a certain amount of socialism benefits people... Corporations are NOT people and never were, people have concience, corporations don't even know the meaning of the word... If we want the services, we have to foot the bill in the form of taxes and there is no two ways about it... Don't vote party line, vote your concience.

There is probably more but this will suffice for now.
I am a lifelong registered Republican with a certa... (show quote)


So, just exactly what are your Conservative leanings?

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Jul 11, 2013 11:34:07   #
jcjr8
 
DanDickens2 wrote:
The way to pay for Liberal Programs is via the National Revenue Savings and Trust Accounts. With such a savings program of our Revenue Dollars. within 50 years the nation could run tax free from that point forward, perhaps even sooner if more revenue flows into the accounts. The greatest part of this account is the taxpayer maintains 50% ownership to be used as collateral for loans or earn a dividend or both. And even better as 50% owner of the account - you get to leave it in a will. Thus generation after generation gains ground rather than owing more and more to a national debt. So join the American Resolution Party today - where lying is punishable and Problems are Solved. Ronald Reagan once said, "Well um - government can't solve our problems, well um because government is the problem." So let's either solve the problem or get rid of the problem once and for all.
The way to pay for Liberal Programs is via the Nat... (show quote)


Really?!?! Considering what the government has done with the money all working Americans have put into Social Security do you really think this idea has any chance at all? If so I've got an ocean view lot in Oklahoma I'd like to sell you.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:34:43   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
WLaws wrote:
Oh no Bang -- I have been out of the closet for a long time. It was just as I was reading the posts in the General Chit-Chat today that I was struck, as I am on most days, that the majority of the posts and comments seem to be at the conservative, right-end of the spectrum.


I have always seen the opposite to be true that the Liberals start the thread as bait to get conservatives to respond then the attacks begin, the name calling and mud slinging. A lot of fun here on the Hog. Join in and get dirty.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:40:29   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
lovesphotos wrote:
I am a lifelong registered Republican with a certain amount of Liberal leanings. For example, I don't believe anyone has the right to tell women what to do with their bodies, especially when it concerns their health... I do think a certain amount of socialism benefits people... Corporations are NOT people and never were, people have concience, corporations don't even know the meaning of the word... If we want the services, we have to foot the bill in the form of taxes and there is no two ways about it... Don't vote party line, vote your concience.

There is probably more but this will suffice for now.
I am a lifelong registered Republican with a certa... (show quote)


This is a progressive trap. Women should be free to do what ever they want to THEIR bodies. When they have control over another humans body their should be limits to the destruction of life.

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Jul 11, 2013 11:52:18   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
jcjr8 wrote:
Sure. Google "Obama, Gosnell, Planned Parenthood and the Born Alive Infant Protection Acts" for starters. It turns my stomach but it's what's happening and the media refuses to give it coverage.

The problem here is that politics aren't like a Chinese restaurant, you can't choose one item from column A and one from column B. You take it all or none because you only have one vote. Responsible voting isn't always about representing what you believe in, sometimes it must necessarily reflect what you don't believe in more.
Sure. Google "Obama, Gosnell, Planned Parenth... (show quote)


Thanks...I'll look it up

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Jul 11, 2013 12:11:21   #
DanDickens2
 
Unlike Social Security (the Government has no real motive to run Social Security properly - it is a "go in" and "go out" system, earning nothing on a continual basis for the government - just something to plunder) - However, the motive to earn and save and therefore have more to spend (now the government has a different motive than with Social Security) our revenue will first flow into the FDIC Banks that are seperate from the government (and localized vestiture that the public will be motivated to police). The money is put to work FIRST - then the government can spend the interest that it earns - the base principle of the revenue remains in the account earning more money - and the new revenues flowing into the account will earn interest as well. Thus a win win for the government and thus more motivated to police it as well. This is a way to grow revenue - giving the government more to spend. Unlike Social Security - as they raid Social Security due to the weakness in the policabilty and motivations there of to police it - as it is a "go in" "go out" program to people who are to OLD to revolutionize or fight the system.

This is not a commercial or consumer savings account only earning 1.2% - Rather this would be a non-profit account - with performance bonuses. Look at the AIG bailout as an example: $32 billion repaid in 5 years with a $20 billion net profit - so that is our children's future income going in the back door earnings potential - so how much better would it be if we did it through the front door.

Vested Economics worked for Joseph - no reason for it not to work now. The saving up of seven years of grain - self policed the corruption back then (after all they did have enough grain when the famine came) - no reason for it to not work now. The National Savings Account should help police its own corruption as well - after all the goal is to deliver a tax free society within 50 or less years - I think more people would then be motivated to localized politics especially at the local banks, as well as motivated to police the corruption at the localized level also - as everyone would now have a vested interest, if we practice vested economics, just as they did with the grain under Joseph.

Beach front property in your state - you do have some lovely lakes with beaches - but I prefer 30A on the Gulf. Nice try. But if you can figure out a way to shift my motives then give it a try. This is what Vested Economics is all about - SHIFTING MOTIVES. Social Security does not shift motives - it is rather a "go in" "go out" form of economics that is open to plunder and corruption and the only real motive is "hope" it is there when we need it.

However, notice even your own motives toward your own local savings account. You certainly treat that differently than you do to even monitor your Social Security at your own local level. So with a National Revenue Savings Account where by you own 50% of the taxes you ever paid or will pay. Now tell me you will not be as apathetic to something that earns you a collateral or a dividend or both.

Think of Industries earning collateral or a dividend - want they be motivated to stay in America, come back home to America, and foreign industries motivated to come to a nation were they own 50% of their taxes as collateral or even better earn a dividend on their taxes.

Well you can say that this will work, or you can say this want work - EITHER WAY - YOU ARE RIGHT.

What you think about - YOU bring about.

But what MOTIVATES YOU will CHANGE or CHANGE YOU.

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Jul 11, 2013 13:36:20   #
lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona
 
jcjr8 wrote:
So, just exactly what are your Conservative leanings?


Hell of a lot longer than what I had already said.

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