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A World Without Religion
Jun 14, 2013 12:45:38 #
Wondering lately - would the world be better off without organized religion? Areas that would have been effected:
1. No Dark Ages
2. No Crusades
3. No Spanish Inquisition
4. No 9/11
5. Science would have been allowed to advance without hindrance.
6. Israelis and Palestinians wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
7. Irish Catholics and Protestants wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
8. Sunnis and Shias wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
9. Politicians couldn't use it to further their political agenda.
9. No Burkas!
1. No Dark Ages
2. No Crusades
3. No Spanish Inquisition
4. No 9/11
5. Science would have been allowed to advance without hindrance.
6. Israelis and Palestinians wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
7. Irish Catholics and Protestants wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
8. Sunnis and Shias wouldn't have a reason to kill each other.
9. Politicians couldn't use it to further their political agenda.
9. No Burkas!
Jun 14, 2013 12:51:28 #
Whatever filled the void left by the absence of religion would probably be many times worse.
Jun 14, 2013 13:14:46 #
Jun 14, 2013 13:26:44 #
I may be wrong, but it appears that 8 out of 10 appear related to Muslims.
Jun 14, 2013 14:50:45 #
As to number 7, the Irish question is not about religion. It is about who owns Ireland, the Irish or the British. Note, e.g., the lack of sectarian strife in the south. Note also the fact that many of Ireland greatest republicans were, and are protestants.
Jun 14, 2013 15:09:10 #
Just think if the whole world believed in Jesus Christ and understood his words correctly and didn't divert them for personal use or gain.
Jun 14, 2013 15:30:55 #
You list only applies to the Abrahamic religions.
You forgot the Roman, Greek and Morse pantheons as well as the Mayan/Aztec Deities.
So add, no virgins sacrificed to volcanoes, no virgins sacrificed to the Krakan. No removing the beating heart to insure greater crops etc.
You forgot the Roman, Greek and Morse pantheons as well as the Mayan/Aztec Deities.
So add, no virgins sacrificed to volcanoes, no virgins sacrificed to the Krakan. No removing the beating heart to insure greater crops etc.
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Jun 15, 2013 07:38:02 #
Perhaps Thomas Paine's view applies here:
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law."
This is why the founding fathers wanted a separation between church and state.
"Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law."
This is why the founding fathers wanted a separation between church and state.
Jun 15, 2013 08:36:10 #
brow3904
Loc: Upstate South Carolina
Just had to be sure about the definition of religion. My dictionary defines it this way:re·li·gion Noun /riˈlijən/
Synonyms:
noun: faith, belief, creed, denomination
religions plural
1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
*ideas about the relationship between science and religion
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed
*when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics
3. A particular system of faith and worship
*the world's great religions
4. A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance
*consumerism is the new religion
Seems to me definition #4 applies strongly to Ambrose whose "supreme importance" is to oppose all other religions.
If we do away with all religion, where does that leave someone with such a strong belief as Ambrose?
Synonyms:
noun: faith, belief, creed, denomination
religions plural
1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
*ideas about the relationship between science and religion
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed
*when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics
3. A particular system of faith and worship
*the world's great religions
4. A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance
*consumerism is the new religion
Seems to me definition #4 applies strongly to Ambrose whose "supreme importance" is to oppose all other religions.
If we do away with all religion, where does that leave someone with such a strong belief as Ambrose?
Jun 15, 2013 09:14:59 #
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Now that is the only religion. Love is his point. If there was no Satan we wouldn't have all the problems we have. Jesus is the son of God, and that is the problem with Satan... We are to love each other and the Devil hates that. :)
Jun 15, 2013 09:26:35 #
MisterWilson wrote: Whatever filled the void left by the absence of religion would probably be many times worse.
More people died in the mainly secular 20th century than the
preceding 19 centuries combined. Think Mao,Pol Pot,Stalin.
More people died in the mainly secular 20th century than the
preceding 19 centuries combined. Think Mao,Pol Pot,Stalin.
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Jun 15, 2013 12:29:02 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
Taffthetooh:
I like to think of all those good Catholic and Lutherans marching to Hitlers drum! Russian casualties alone due to the war are estimated at some 27 Million. While in all of Europe the death toll was some 60 million.
Most under Stalin died in WWII or in the revolution and the civil war that followed. Stalin killed about 7 million.
Although during Mao about 20-40 million were killed the population doubled. So he must have done something right.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/many-people-were-t114249/index.html?s=7ca2e5d0bf57f3460407c12c59d19d90&
Pol Pot 1.7 million
Now the trouble with all these figures is that some call starvation as people killed. There is no evidence there would have been more food with or without the dictator.
As a percent of population wars prior to WWI were rather small affairs and quickly settled. In the crusades the estimates are between 15-25000 died in total.
I like to think of all those good Catholic and Lutherans marching to Hitlers drum! Russian casualties alone due to the war are estimated at some 27 Million. While in all of Europe the death toll was some 60 million.
Most under Stalin died in WWII or in the revolution and the civil war that followed. Stalin killed about 7 million.
Although during Mao about 20-40 million were killed the population doubled. So he must have done something right.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/many-people-were-t114249/index.html?s=7ca2e5d0bf57f3460407c12c59d19d90&
Pol Pot 1.7 million
Now the trouble with all these figures is that some call starvation as people killed. There is no evidence there would have been more food with or without the dictator.
As a percent of population wars prior to WWI were rather small affairs and quickly settled. In the crusades the estimates are between 15-25000 died in total.
Jun 15, 2013 14:14:22 #
buckwheat wrote:
I may be wrong, but it appears that 8 out of 10 appear related to Muslims.
I am curious, how did you come to that conclusion?
Jun 15, 2013 14:23:44 #
I am not a religious person. But I strongly believe it's not the religion that is at fault in this. It is those who abuse it by using it to gain power and further their agendas. No matter whether they are Christian, Muslim, Budhist or any one of the existing ones.
If there was an Adam and Eve, I'll bet the first thing they would have done would have been the establishment of a religion. That's why I think there alway was a religion of some sort since the humans could utter something other than a grunt. The unknown, and the desire to somehow explain it has always been the reason for the existance of religion.
If there was an Adam and Eve, I'll bet the first thing they would have done would have been the establishment of a religion. That's why I think there alway was a religion of some sort since the humans could utter something other than a grunt. The unknown, and the desire to somehow explain it has always been the reason for the existance of religion.
Jun 15, 2013 14:39:59 #
Ambrose wrote:
Wondering lately - would the world be better off without organized religion? Areas that would have been effected:
1. No Dark Ages
1. No Dark Ages
Religion existed at that time but it had nothing to do to create the dark ages. They were part of the evolution of human societies. Even if religion didn't exist at the time, there would still have been dark ages.
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