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Jun 4, 2013 01:27:27   #
gemlenz Loc: Gilbert Arizona
 
you can save them on your computer.

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Jun 4, 2013 01:45:21   #
Sunnykaren Loc: Michigan
 
gemlenz wrote:
you can save them on your computer.


Thanks!

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Jun 4, 2013 06:33:16   #
Grand Loc: Lebanon, Pa
 
oldtool2 wrote:
If you are shooting in full auto, and I assuming you are, it will not allow you to use raw. Try aperture priority and see what happens.


I wear the shirt, but I don't shoot in Raw. Give me jpeg anyday.

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Jun 4, 2013 19:30:19   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
viscountdriver wrote:
I know I am going to get shouted at by RAW users but consider this.
When a camera saves on JPG it extracts full colour information from the sensor and applies adjustments regarding contrast, colour,saturation,and sharpness designed by experts in colour science and sensor technology.

What you really mean is that jpegs contain information based on the in camera settings, and for many that is quite enough. RAW files do not contain the in camera settings unless you are a Canon shooter and use DPP as you PP program. In that event the RAW files look exactly like jpegs straight out of the camera. However, whether you shoot Canon or not, RAW files, which are digital negatives, contain significantly more information and is the preferred way to go if you do a lot of post processing. Applying a lot of post processing to a jpeg will degrade the image and many things that can be adjusted in RAW simply can't be accomplished nearly as well on jpegs. With regard to the experts designing those in camera settings, please realize that no one can guess what you are trying to achieve. If they could we would all be shooting in automatic mode. Even the in camera settings have a wide latitude of user adjustments, not unlike post processing. However, with RAW you can fix almost everything except focus and extreme under and over exposure, as if you took it that way in the first place. The same is not true of jpegs .

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Jun 4, 2013 19:43:00   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
mwsilvers wrote:
What you really mean is that jpegs contain information based on the in camera settings, and for many that is quite enough. RAW files do not contain the in camera settings unless you are a Canon shooter and use DPP as you PP program. In that event the RAW files look exactly like jpegs straight out of the camera. However, whether you shoot Canon or not, RAW files, which are digital negatives, contain significantly more information and is the preferred way to go if you do a lot of post processing. Applying a lot of post processing to a jpeg will degrade the image and many things that can be adjusted in RAW simply can't be accomplished nearly as well on jpegs. With regard to the experts designing those in camera settings, please realize that no one can guess what you are trying to achieve. If they could we would all be shooting in automatic mode. Even the in camera settings have a wide latitude of user adjustments, not unlike post processing. However, with RAW you can fix almost everything except focus and extreme under and over exposure, as if you took it that way in the first place. The same is not true of jpegs .
What you really mean is that jpegs contain informa... (show quote)


Nicely worded!
Nikon raw and probably most other cameras do contain the "as shot" camera settings, but are not applied permanently as with jpeg files.

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Jun 4, 2013 19:54:07   #
CurreyPhoto Loc: Reddick, Florida
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Nicely worded!
Nikon raw and probably most other cameras do contain the "as shot" camera settings, but are not applied permanently as with jpeg files.


Nikon has a program that applies the camera settings to the RAW image. It is called ViewNX2. It comes free with Nikon cameras that shoot RAW.

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Jun 4, 2013 21:49:42   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Nicely worded!
Nikon raw and probably most other cameras do contain the "as shot" camera settings, but are not applied permanently as with jpeg files.


Exactly. If the Nikon RAW processor is anything like DPP you can use the in camera settings, modify them,or ignore them completely depending uoon your goals. For those who don't often indulge in post processing, jpegs may meet their requirements better. I usually use Lightroom 4 for most of my processing, which doesnt apply the in camera settings, but it goes much farther with far better results than any in camera settings can provide.

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Jun 4, 2013 22:11:56   #
dspoon2 Loc: Rockwall TX
 
fthomas wrote:
There are exceptional training material available all over the web or you can pay at Lynda.com and take Deke's Fundamentals of CS6 (CS5 and others is also available). The material is exceptional and the knowledge gained ranges from "down sizing and up sizing" and the different choices Photoshop gives us to correcting color balance in Raw and how to pull the greatest of amount of detail out of the image. Processing for one part the scene and then for another rather than shooting HDR. Very effective.

The possibilities are almost limitless in Photoshop and I opt to always work with RAW. If you compare the RAW image side by side with the Jpeg it is interesting what the camera has already done. You can chose to replicate it or carry your artistic inclinations in a totally different direction.

If you are truly interested in becoming relatively proficient with Photoshop the opportunity exists. It is a personal choice.
There are exceptional training material available ... (show quote)


Fred, for me you've hit the nail on the head when you mention artistic inclinations...by using the RAW file you can easily maintain the integrity or correct as needed before going on to further creative options.

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Jun 4, 2013 23:29:27   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
For those who are interested in knowing more about RAW vs JPG, here's a link to Cambridge in Color, a great resource for curious photographers' minds
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm
and a resource from Laura Shoe about shooting RAW+JPG and managing this in Lightroom
http://laurashoe.com/2012/09/24/shooting-in-raw-jpeg-mode-lightroom/
Some years ago when I first stuck my toe in the water with RAW, I shot RAW+JPG because I was afraid I wouldn't know what to do with the RAW files. I've looked back at some old shots from the wonderful Hopewell Rocks since this conversation developed and am posting a pair (same shot) below. The JPG did not capture the amazing landscape, but left much of the seafloor in deep shadow, the crusty rocks just silhouettes against a bright blue sky. With the RAW version, I could safely tinker, and pull back much of what I saw with my eyes - texture, color, detail.





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Jun 4, 2013 23:40:07   #
Sunnykaren Loc: Michigan
 
Minniev, Wow! What a good example...thanks for sharing this along with the links!

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Jun 4, 2013 23:45:40   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
minniev wrote:
For those who are interested in knowing more about RAW vs JPG, here's a link to Cambridge in Color, a great resource for curious photographers' minds
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/RAW-file-format.htm
and a resource from Laura Shoe about shooting RAW+JPG and managing this in Lightroom
http://laurashoe.com/2012/09/24/shooting-in-raw-jpeg-mode-lightroom/
Some years ago when I first stuck my toe in the water with RAW, I shot RAW+JPG because I was afraid I wouldn't know what to do with the RAW files. I've looked back at some old shots from the wonderful Hopewell Rocks since this conversation developed and am posting a pair (same shot) below. The JPG did not capture the amazing landscape, but left much of the seafloor in deep shadow, the crusty rocks just silhouettes against a bright blue sky. With the RAW version, I could safely tinker, and pull back much of what I saw with my eyes - texture, color, detail.
For those who are interested in knowing more about... (show quote)

Exactly. While you could restore some shadow detail from JPEGs it would be much less effective and the results would be much less desirable.

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Jun 5, 2013 16:40:02   #
dspoon2 Loc: Rockwall TX
 
excellent example!!! Great shot...thanks

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Jun 11, 2013 20:45:36   #
Duccky
 
I usually shoot both gives me the option to tweak or not

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