Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

First old and boring to who? Some may not agree so why do you feel the need to tell those what they can or can't discuss. Some of the members here are new so it may not seem so old to them wouldn't you agree? Why do you "choose" to click on threads that obviously frustrate you?

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

But again this was some ones writings and just because it is in print don't make it a fact. and saved from what - an unfounded superstition of afterlife.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

I realize your simply trying to start another arguement, won't bite!

Dave in Utah Loc: Southern Utah

Harvey - It seems you have made your choice. Dave

Robinson5577

It just goes to show you that a lot of dumb people will listen to Republicans. So take a Republican with you on judgment day and see where it gets you. Just be careful your Republican friend doesn't try to sell you a ticket to heaven.

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

I didnt do the the original post and I just cant see the need that some people have to espouse religion. Why do people post this stuff on a photography site? I know that it is an open forum but why do people have to do this? There are no Jewish people posting, no buddhists, no islamists, only Christians have the need to do this. Why is this? I just dont get it.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

He will go with you hoping to get in on your coat tails.

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

Yes Dave I have and I sleep well at night knowing I don't have any one to answer to except my self.

Ponder this:
I am 100% responsible for my actions today and every day.

I feel if one is a believer in Jesus Christ or claims to be a christian there is not much more one needs to follow in both the OT & NT than the writings of Mathew 6 and the 10 commandments.

Trust me on this - there were many years of my life I did not think this way - a total immoral lifestyle. "I was Blind and now I see"

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

It's probably the stances on subjects that bring that conclusion.

Pro-life? Christian's believe in it strongly. Republicans espouse it. Abortion? Non-Christian, Agnostics, Athetists, and Liberals Democrats espouse it.

Gay and Lesbian? Mainstream-Christians and Republicans oppose it. Democrat Liberals are for it.

Liberals within the Democrat party want a quick changing progressive society and getting away from Conservative staunch slow movement, while strict Biblical morals are expected by Conservative Republican Christians.

I have a friend who was a Union Teamster truck driver for 30 years, was surrounded by Liberal Democrats continually, paid Union dues to a union that supported Democrats only with donations and bribes, was told with strong recommendation by management that he should always vote Democrat to be a true Union member, lived in the world of foul mouthed, drug-taking, illegal hours driving, whore using, alcoholic, Liberal truck drivers but he was a Christian family man and voted Republican anyway. He lived a very torn lifestyle until he retired. That's not to say all truck drivers are immoral Liberals but it's most common way to be in the world of Union drivers.

So Christian and Republican stances have far more similarities than Democrats do with Christians.

I suppose studies have been done that show that Protestants are more likely to be Republican while Catholics are more likely to be Democrats. Protestants and Catholics all call themselves Christians so the bonding of Christian and Republican terms may not be valid.

SmittyOne Loc: California

As an ordained Christian Minister, all I have to say is Tain't so Joe. I am an registered independent voter. Seems to me that someone is pulling your leg, so that you can walk better on a hillside. Smile, say thank you, and vote for what is right according to your faith, and the constitution of the United States of America.

The Rev.
(Ex-SSgt, U.S.A.F., 12 years active service, 1955-1967, defender of U.S.A. freedom, and the U.S.A. Constitution)

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

You my friend have defined life in the USA to a "T" -all this BS going back and forth has neglected to point out how life really is.
Man has a choice to live a moral lifestyle while everyday rubbing shoulders with the immoral.

Now some one just brought up the "abortion subject" I want to see a show of hands of the pro life folks who have a foster parent roll/license and/or have adopted or have applied to adopt an unplanned-unwanted child - forget the kids in other countries - just the good old USA.
If you want to fight against abortion put yourself into that mothers roll or shut up.
JMHO
Harvey

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I have a friend who was a Union Teamster truck driver for 30 years, was surrounded by Liberal Democrats continually, paid Union dues to a union that supported Democrats only with donations and bribes, was told with strong recommendation by management that he should always vote Democrat to be a true Union member, lived in the world of foul mouthed, drug-taking, illegal hours driving, whore using, alcoholic, Liberal truck drivers but he was a Christian family man and voted Republican anyway. He lived a very torn lifestyle until he retired. That's not to say all truck drivers are immoral Liberals but it's most common way to be in the world of Union drivers.

SmittyOne Loc: California

As to all this, my usual answer is "You can't fix stupid."

Here is the real problem. Stupidity cannot be cured with money, nor through education, nor by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim cannot help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution id carried out automatically and without pity.

The universe is not moral. Nor is it cruel. It is simply harsh, lovely, beautiful, and deadly if you don't watch your behind.

The Rev.

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

If you want to take a moment and go back and study the only Kennedy worth his salt, you'd find him more Republican then most Republicans in office today in his beliefs and programs and overall strategy. Go ahead I dare ya, you'll be surprised. I'd jump for joy if we had anyone running with the same views. But then, both parties were closer to each other then. He had certain circumstances surrounding his life decidedly un-Christian- but not exactly criminal

Now if you think Ted was a good Christian, I can point out a few instances where he decidedly wasn't. Ask the relatives of Mary Jo Kopechne if they think it mattered a whit if he went to church, as he read the morning paper while her body floated in Teds car under the Chappaquiddick bridge that he was driving. And there are a many more- like the one doing time for murder. etc. The Kennedy original fortune was made in the 20's through "pump and dump" stock scams and insider trading, legal then- jail time illegal now, and bootlegging in the 30's- always illegal. Don't hold that family too high in esteem as good examples of Christian values for your argument. I am sure there are others much more qualified.

leither Loc: Sunny Leith

Part of your question depends on your take on what 'being a Christian' is.

Long time ago, in quite a long deep conversation with a Scottish Episcopal minister/father, I was amazed to hear him say in his 30 odd years in the 'business' he hadn't really met all that many 'Christians'.

How does someone regard themselves as a Christian?

The following questions are not meant to get peoples backs up but to try to fathom out how people regard themselves in a Christian light.

Is it a belief in God and Jesus and the bible. If so is it the whole bible or just the New Testament or just the bits they think applies to their way of life.

For example:- I get a daily email from worldofquotes.com and today's one read-
“Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. [Proverbs 22:15].”

Obey that one and you may be upholding your christian ethics but you're about to have the wrath of the PC crowd come down on your head and a possible court case pending.

Are you still a Christian if you are willing to see all Muslims in the same light as you view the terrorist ones let alone which political party anyone belongs to.

Remoman, you set an interesting question and have received many interesting answers except what is a Christian truly.

Me, I'm just a bloody heathen who can't believe in a God who makes tornadoes that kill innocents and expects people to pray to him/her for the survivors, along with the many other catastrophes that take place in this world natural as well as man made and just sits back and watches.
Please don't mention the book of Revelations as a time of retribution, because to believe that, in my opinion, is no different than to believe in any past, present or future "Rapture" and there's been many a discussion about that on this site and none of it in a positive light. :) :)

End of rant :roll:

Dr Grump Loc: Southern New England

This is some really sharp thinking, reelfishin