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Jun 3, 2013 08:59:34   #
sportyman140 Loc: Juliette, GA
 
LondonStu wrote:
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obviously want to be able to buy the best glass I can to go on a 7d for sports and wildlife, but if I am aiming to use it for pretty high shutter speeds, would the image stabiliser make much difference ? The reason I am asking is that the cost difference is almost double for the IS , and I can't find a refurbished one anywhere, so if I buy new it will be a case of having the non- IS this year or have to wait much longer for the IS model. Any views out there, what would you do ?
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obv... (show quote)


Hi LondonStu, I understand your predicament. I have a Canon T3i, soon to have the 6D. So I wanted great glass with bells an whistles too. I went with the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG HSM OS; the OS is Canons vers of IS. It is half the price and just as good, some consider better.

@ 200 mm; ISO 800, f/3.5, SS 1250, Daddy Blue Bird
@ 200 mm; ISO 800, f/3.5, SS 1250,  Daddy Blue Bir...

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Jun 3, 2013 09:01:35   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
Bhead wrote:
Personally, I don't think it matters as this lens should always be used with a mono-pod or a tripod given whatever circumstance you are working in. IS is nice if you have to move quickly and can get away with hand-holding at high shutter speeds. Good luck in making your decision.


Huh?? That statement makes little sense. I bought the f2.8 version so I can shoot in lower light and with a higher shutter speed. When walking in the woods shooting wildlife and BIF I normally shoot hand held. My lens also has the IS feature but I do not use it that often, but when needed it is worth it.

Jim D

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Jun 3, 2013 09:08:16   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
LondonStu wrote:
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obviously want to be able to buy the best glass I can to go on a 7d for sports and wildlife, but if I am aiming to use it for pretty high shutter speeds, would the image stabiliser make much difference ? The reason I am asking is that the cost difference is almost double for the IS , and I can't find a refurbished one anywhere, so if I buy new it will be a case of having the non- IS this year or have to wait much longer for the IS model. Any views out there, what would you do ?
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obv... (show quote)


Don't be afraid of buying used also. B&H and Adorama get them in at times, just be sure to check their rating on the lens. If it is high go for it.

Jim D

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Jun 3, 2013 09:36:07   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Bhead wrote:
Not to be confrontational myself and I am sorry if you are offend, but I would rather one know what they are getting into before dropping large chunks of $$ on any tool and the fact of the matter remains; if you are not shooting a very high shutter speed (better than the focal length rule of thumb due to motion constraints) with and ISO that allows one to do so and still receive adequate images, you will need a stabilization device with or without IS. Hand holding a long telephoto even with today's best tech is not advisable if an individual is trying to acquire tack sharp images. Therefore, I stand by my previous comment and you should read it closer.
Not to be confrontational myself and I am sorry if... (show quote)


And I agree 100% - If you are SERIOUS about IQ and shot selection/ergonomics you will want to be on at least a well articulated monopod -IS or no IS ! The non-IS lens you speak of is not as sharp as the IS II ! I would suggest you save for the II version - not for the IS, but because it is a so much better lens - especially if you want to put a TC behind it !

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Jun 3, 2013 10:14:38   #
deanc2006 Loc: lancaster ohio
 
rent the one with IS and see what you think. I love my 70-200 is

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Jun 3, 2013 10:46:57   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
Stu, Boy can I relate to you. I believe that GOD meant for me to have L glass. It's always about the dam dollar or pound isn't it. I believe in using pods. I also believe in getting the shot. Get what you can and then work the opportunity. I love IS. OK here is some stuff I would be thing about. To can translate it to your market. Most of my equipment has been used. Friends have gifted me as they went up the latter. I have bought a few pieces of REFURBISHED lenses. Get on Canons e-mail news letter and you will be first to see sales. One thing that I have observed in my market is the amount of used items that have popped up. Some with really great pricing. You just have to set realistic max budget for yourself and be disciplined. I ran into a Nikon 800 the three biggy lenses and Sig 50-150. great back pack. One hundred activation, it was too much stuff too complicated and the gal was upset. She went to a pawn shop. They of course thought it was stolen and made her mad. A mutual friend contacted me I could have bought it at pawn price. I did not feel right about it and contacted the store. They are going to restock and get her a point and shoot. The point there are so many opportunites out there. Some times the hunt is as much fun as the image that we capture! Let us know what you find.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:59:27   #
renomike Loc: Reno, Nevada
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
All I can say is that IS won't stop subject movement....If you are on a tripod, it won't be needed...


No but it will sure help stopping yours.....;0)

Mike

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Jun 3, 2013 11:05:27   #
sportyman140 Loc: Juliette, GA
 
sportyman140 wrote:
Hi LondonStu, I understand your predicament. I have a Canon T3i, soon to have the 6D. So I wanted great glass with bells an whistles too. I went with the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG HSM OS; the OS is Canons vers of IS. It is half the price and just as good, some consider better.


So all of you canon glass shooters are saying my photos with the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 are dung because no one commented about it of the Blue Bird I posted hmmmmmm, I saved a $1,000.00 and got a 4yr warranty with the lens fro Sigma and it has image stabilization with it. I shoot free hand, w/tripod, and w/mono-pod. If someone wants a great lens then I suggest the Sigma lenses for the money it is fantastic. or I guess some people have too much BLOODY money.

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Jun 3, 2013 11:08:01   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
I was going to comment on the Blue Bird image as it is very good... I buy a lot of 3rd party & used gear myself. I got a Nikkor 80-200 F2.8 D ED lens used for $425...Lots of great images with it too...
sportyman140 wrote:
So all of you canon glass shooters are saying my photos with the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 are dung because no one commented about it of the Blue Bird I posted hmmmmmm, I saved a $1,000.00 and got a 4yr warranty with the lens fro Sigma and it has image stabilization with it. I shoot free hand, w/tripod, and w/mono-pod. If someone wants a great lens then I suggest the Sigma lenses for the money it is fantastic. or I guess some people have too much BLOODY money.

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Jun 3, 2013 11:11:29   #
haroldross Loc: Walthill, Nebraska
 
Another option would be to rent or purchase the non-IS version. A good thing about Canon L lens is they have great resale value. If you purchase a used one in good condition, you will probably be able to resell it for about the same as what you paid a year down the road.

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Jun 3, 2013 11:15:13   #
FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.
 
The Saint wrote:
I have the 'IS' model and wouldn't be without it as I handhold most of the time. It's too heavy to hold steady @ 200mm.
Have you considered that maybe it's the weight of the IS mechanism that makes it hard to hold steady? :) I have the non-IS model and find it performs just fine, at much less weight.

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Jun 3, 2013 11:21:11   #
jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada
 
sportyman140 wrote:
So all of you canon glass shooters are saying my photos with the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 are dung because no one commented about it of the Blue Bird I posted hmmmmmm, I saved a $1,000.00 and got a 4yr warranty with the lens fro Sigma and it has image stabilization with it. I shoot free hand, w/tripod, and w/mono-pod. If someone wants a great lens then I suggest the Sigma lenses for the money it is fantastic. or I guess some people have too much BLOODY money.


Your photo is great!! really, but the sigma is not grey colour?
So I guess it's not Kool, I guess they're insecure, and need labels.
Your right, they have too much money, that they don't know what to
do with it all! IMHO :shock: :mrgreen: :thumbdown:

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Jun 3, 2013 11:25:09   #
jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada
 
haroldross wrote:
Another option would be to rent or purchase the non-IS version. A good thing about Canon L lens is they have great resale value. If you purchase a used one in good condition, you will probably be able to resell it for about the same as what you paid a year down the road.


resale? I hear alot about resale?
why not do some research and make sure what lens
you want to use and use it.
Do you buys lenses with the thought of resaling?
I never do.
When I get a new baby its just to use, selling is the last thing on my mind.
Lenses are supposed to be for life,??? camera bodies change
frequently though. IMHO

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Jun 3, 2013 12:10:29   #
sportyman140 Loc: Juliette, GA
 
jim charron wrote:
Your photo is great!! really, but the sigma is not grey colour?
So I guess it's not Kool, I guess they're insecure, and need labels.
Your right, they have too much money, that they don't know what to
do with it all! IMHO :shock: :mrgreen: :thumbdown:


No Sigma is not a Grey Color, it comes with a 4 yr us warranty. This is a DG lens which can fit a full frame camera such as the 6D which is my next upgrade. The DC is for Crop-sensor cameras only.

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Jun 3, 2013 12:58:49   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
LondonStu wrote:
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obviously want to be able to buy the best glass I can to go on a 7d for sports and wildlife, but if I am aiming to use it for pretty high shutter speeds, would the image stabiliser make much difference ? The reason I am asking is that the cost difference is almost double for the IS , and I can't find a refurbished one anywhere, so if I buy new it will be a case of having the non- IS this year or have to wait much longer for the IS model. Any views out there, what would you do ?
I am saving to buy a Canon 70-200 2.8 L and I obv... (show quote)


The IS isn't really that necessary for sports or wildlife unless you are doing stills in low light condition with no tripod. The 70-200 zoom is used by many for fashion and wedding photography in low light so the IS does come in handy in certain conditions.

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