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Jun 3, 2013 08:36:56   #
baroleum
 
For email, JPEG is great. If you're submitting an IMAGE (not just a picture) of a keeper, shoot RAW. The amount of data is awesome and you can do wonders with a RAW IMAGE in Photoshop Elements11. True professionals consider "images" they create rather than a "photo". I'm learning.....

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Jun 3, 2013 08:42:55   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Sorry to go back to this.people are saying they like Raw because of the editing they have to do.In my edit programme I can does loads of things with JPG. Please, what's the difference?


The diffrence is in the amount of information you have to work with. Look at the difference in the file sizes. Raw has so much more info it will allow you to extract and work with. Look in the shadows, you will be amaized at the amount of detail hidden that you can pull out in a photo.

Jim D

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Jun 3, 2013 08:47:48   #
Fergus Loc: Westfield,IN
 
viscountdriver wrote:
I know I am going to get shouted at by RAW users but consider this.
When a camera saves on JPG it extracts full colour information from the sensor and applies adjustments regarding contrast, colour,saturation,and sharpness designed by experts in colour science and sensor technology.


Viscount,
I'm so happy that you asked the question in the way you asked it. It illicited really good, thoughtful answers rather than the heated arguments that sometimes follow such questions. Maybe we all had a good weekend and have entered a mellow Monday.

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Jun 3, 2013 08:58:33   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
I have been going back and forth about what to shot when I go to Alaska in just over a week from now. I could shoot RAW + JPEG, or either individually. I just bout 2 32GB SD cards and will probably take my laptop along with me so I shouldn't have any memory problems...I have been normally shooting JPEG, though.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:03:44   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
EstherP wrote:
I'm afraid I'm a control-freak... What makes that black box think it can make better decisions than I?

"designed by experts" - maybe so, but really, they don't see what I see, do they?

So, I decided for the best of both worlds: I shoot raw+jpg.
EstherP


Hi Esther,
I wonder about something. I guess I could shoot and compare, but it's easier to ask :)
When shooting in both, Raw and Jpg, is the Raw image the same resolution and quality as it would be if shooting only Raw?

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Jun 3, 2013 09:05:31   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
baroleum wrote:
For email, JPEG is great. If you're submitting an IMAGE (not just a picture) of a keeper, shoot RAW. The amount of data is awesome and you can do wonders with a RAW IMAGE in Photoshop Elements11. True professionals consider "images" they create rather than a "photo". I'm learning.....


I only shoot in Raw, because I want all the information available and it only takes 10 seconds to make a JPEG for email or to post on line with Lightroom

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Jun 3, 2013 09:15:36   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
bull drink water wrote:
my question is as always,how many of us do you think are proficient enough to take full advantage of " total control"?


I don't need "total control" (and admit that I don't have it). I just want enough control to render the photo the way I remember seeing it. Since I learned about sharpening, my printed photos look better.

I shoot in RAW plus JPEG.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:16:11   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
planepics wrote:
I have been going back and forth about what to shot when I go to Alaska in just over a week from now. I could shoot RAW + JPEG, or either individually. I just bout 2 32GB SD cards and will probably take my laptop along with me so I shouldn't have any memory problems...I have been normally shooting JPEG, though.


Read this, it might help you decide what to do.

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-44050-1.html

Jim D

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Jun 3, 2013 09:16:41   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
viscountdriver wrote:
When a camera saves on JPG it extracts full colour information from the sensor and applies adjustments regarding contrast, colour,saturation,and sharpness designed by experts in colour science and sensor technology.


The experts can do a decent job, but I have a difference of opinion on the final result and it's my photography not theirs.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:06:29   #
renomike Loc: Reno, Nevada
 
viscountdriver wrote:
Bull Drink water has probably hit the point.Experts will be better off with RAW but I would guess the majority of us are not that expert though, having said that I suppose we would never learn unless we try.


It's like anything else, if you desire to learn how to do it, you can master just about anything. It's really not that hard to do. Like you said, "You have to want to try first."

Mike

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Jun 3, 2013 10:09:21   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
When I began shooting some 50 years ago with my old Petri FT, Couldn't afford the Spotmatic on my Air Force pay, I shot everything in Raw and proceeded to the Base Hobby Shop Darkroom and did a lot of PP. Today I use Photoshop instead of test strips and timers, believe me a Darkroom on my computer screen is faster and easier with almost instant, quickly changed test strips.
I always shoot raw and enjoy PP.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:16:48   #
EstherP
 
Papa Joe wrote:
Hi Esther,
I wonder about something. I guess I could shoot and compare, but it's easier to ask :)
When shooting in both, Raw and Jpg, is the Raw image the same resolution and quality as it would be if shooting only Raw?


The short answer: Yes.
At least on my camera - I cannot speak for other brands.

Having said that, I have seen menus for some cameras where you can also set 2 or 3 different size for raw files. Unfortunately, I cannot remember what cameras they were.
EstherP

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Jun 3, 2013 10:23:24   #
Audi57 Loc: Bedford England.
 
Me to Esther as you say best of both worlds and it helps with the learning curve, most times post production can be the same or better.

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Jun 3, 2013 10:26:49   #
ksudad Loc: W Valley, PHX
 
professionals and artist shoot raw for control
those of us who are trying to do better use RAW *jpegs
snap shots are great in jpegs

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Jun 3, 2013 10:28:08   #
oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.
 
oldtool2 wrote:
If you are shooting in full auto, and I assuming you are, it will not allow you to use raw. Try aperture priority and see what happens.


I was using aperture priority F8 ISO 800 and the camera said I could not use JPEG/RAW or RAW on its own

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