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Dec 17, 2011 08:04:09   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
How about people mispronouncing realtor and nuclear
by saying "realitor", "nucular", and oh, another one...
jewelry, prounced "joolery"

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Dec 17, 2011 08:06:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
nat wrote:
How about people mispronouncing realtor and nuclear
by saying "realitor", "nucular", and oh, another one...
jewelry, prounced "joolery"


"Foliage" is turning into "folage."

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Dec 17, 2011 13:30:36   #
Ronny Loc: Netherlands
 
A language is a method of communication, either spoken or written, consisting of words in a structured and conventional way.
It looks very simple, but in general people have made it difficult, because many forget that the language should help another to understand what was told to her/him.
I am originally from the Netherlands and because the Dutch language is like Chinese from Europe, we all had to learn 4 languages. Beside Dutch it is English (British), French and German. I am able to survive also with the Indonesian language.
Due to my engineering background I have lived and work in many parts of the world.
Today my home is California outside LA.
All my writing and comments are done using word, because even between British English and American English is sometimes a big difference.
Especially the spoken words are a pain in the rear. Again a language is a way to make another understand what you want to say. But I have a very hard time to understand the folks in the mid and south of the US. I wonder how these folks write their English.
The second problem I have is with all the abbreviations especially here in America.
Communication is making yourself understand to others.
I pay little attention to misspelled words, understanding is more important.

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Dec 17, 2011 13:50:44   #
Bob.J Loc: On The Move
 
What's up with lens & lense?
I see that one allot here on UHH
Never saw lense in any camera literature
The other one that crack's me up is Canon & Cannon
Thank god I own Nikons :lol:
Sold my Sony to a friend named Sonny :thumbup:

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Dec 17, 2011 13:54:01   #
ShakyShutter Loc: Arizona
 
Bob.J wrote:
What's up with lens & lense?
I see that one allot here on UHH
Never saw lense in any camera literature
The other one that crack's me up is Canon & Cannon
Thank god I own Nikons :lol:
Sold my Sony to a friend named Sonny :thumbup:


Some tymes we forgit what we learnt.

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Dec 17, 2011 15:04:11   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
Ronny wrote:
A language is a method of communication, either spoken or written, consisting of words in a structured and conventional way.
It looks very simple, but in general people have made it difficult, because many forget that the language should help another to understand what was told to her/him.
I am originally from the Netherlands and because the Dutch language is like Chinese from Europe, we all had to learn 4 languages. Beside Dutch it is English (British), French and German. I am able to survive also with the Indonesian language.
Due to my engineering background I have lived and work in many parts of the world.
Today my home is California outside LA.
All my writing and comments are done using word, because even between British English and American English is sometimes a big difference.
Especially the spoken words are a pain in the rear. Again a language is a way to make another understand what you want to say. But I have a very hard time to understand the folks in the mid and south of the US. I wonder how these folks write their English.
The second problem I have is with all the abbreviations especially here in America.
Communication is making yourself understand to others.
I pay little attention to misspelled words, understanding is more important.
A language is a method of communication, either sp... (show quote)

Ronny, I wholeheartedly agree with your observations with two exceptions. If you look at the two entries above yours regarding pronunciation of certain words, I believe these are due to not being able to spell these words. Correct spelling lends to correct communications. Incorrect spelling leads to incorrect spelling leads to incorrect spelling leads to confusion. We communicate by agreement of meaning and spelling.
As far as abbreviations are concerned, I agree we have abbreviations that lend nothing to communications, but having come from a medical, electronics and computer background, abbreviations serve as a short-hand to facilitate communications. I don't think there is a medical person in the U.S. (another abbreviation) that doesn't understand what ASA, PRN or QD means or a computer person that doesn't know what TCP/IP means. Outside these communities it merely seems to say "look how smart I am!".

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Dec 17, 2011 15:37:05   #
Ronny Loc: Netherlands
 
As far as abbreviations are concerned, I agree we have abbreviations that lend nothing to communications, but having come from a medical, electronics and computer background, abbreviations serve as a short-hand to facilitate communications. I don't think there is a medical person in the U.S. (another abbreviation) that doesn't understand what ASA, PRN or QD means or a computer person that doesn't know what TCP/IP means. Outside these communities it merely seems to say "look how smart I am!".

But being a member of a diverse forum, I hope that all members will take in account that all do not speak the same language and definitely not the same abbreviation.

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Dec 17, 2011 15:48:29   #
Bob.J Loc: On The Move
 
Ronny wrote:
As far as abbreviations are concerned, I agree we have abbreviations that lend nothing to communications, but having come from a medical, electronics and computer background, abbreviations serve as a short-hand to facilitate communications. I don't think there is a medical person in the U.S. (another abbreviation) that doesn't understand what ASA, PRN or QD means or a computer person that doesn't know what TCP/IP means. Outside these communities it merely seems to say "look how smart I am!".

But being a member of a diverse forum, I hope that all members will take in account that all do not speak the same language and definitely not the same abbreviation.
As far as abbreviations are concerned, I agree we ... (show quote)


From now on I'm going to spell out
WYSIWYG
ESATA
PCMCIA
RAID
EIDE
USB
2X4
LOL
YAAFI
WAFI
and, oh DSLR 35MM DPI
thanks so much (tsm)

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Dec 17, 2011 15:51:06   #
Ronny Loc: Netherlands
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I hate to introduce a variation on this topic, but here goes.

I hear people all the time saying things like, "a apple," or "a opening," rather an using the word "an."

The other one that annoys me is "the apple," rather than saying "thee apple" or "thee environment." Then, of course, we have the mispronunciation of the word "houses," without the "Z" sound.

I could go on, but I'll spare you. (You can feel sorry for my wife. She has to put up with me all the time.)
I hate to introduce a variation on this topic, but... (show quote)



Pronouncing English words with a foreign tongue is pretty tough. Especially when you have learned it the British way.
If you do not think so, try some Dutch, French or German words.

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Dec 17, 2011 17:41:41   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
Pepper wrote:
Let me begin by saying that my goal here is to be helpful. I do not want to offend anyone but I’ve noticed several comments regarding spelling and grammatical errors in some posts. When I take the time to post a comment I’d like you all to focus on my comment and not on my spelling but I realize that part of the responsibility for that is on me. I can’t spell a lick so here’s how I approach the problem. I open a Word document and type my comments there; my spell checker catches almost all of my spelling errors and most of my grammatical errors as well. Then I highlight the text and right click and click on cut. I then open my message window and click on it to activate the text box. Right click in the box and click on paste. Again I’m trying to be helpful here not condescending or offensive, please accept this in the spirit it was offered.
Let me begin by saying that my goal here is to be ... (show quote)



I was always a great speller. It was one of my parent's "10 commandments". Stroke messed it up real good. Problem is I don;t KNOW when I spell wrong. My oldest grandson is also a super speller and when he sees what I am doing, he always tells me. When I see the word he points out, I am always amaze that it is wrong!!!

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Dec 17, 2011 17:44:03   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
nyweb2001 wrote:
I thought it was something in the forum that did the spell checker....maybe my browser...or my computer ?

Nope. My Grandson!

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Dec 17, 2011 17:57:12   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
sammytalia7 wrote:
For those of us who lived in the South, my favorite is:

you (singular) ya'll

you (plural) all ya'll


Well, I've lived all over the north for many, many years now, but when you mention it, I must realize that I still use those term when talking English and when writing!

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Dec 17, 2011 18:20:00   #
1941Buckeye Loc: home is Miami Co., Ohio
 
Michael O' wrote:
johnr9999 wrote:
Eugene wrote:
That should be " I am" not " I an a technical writer". Also, in the last paragraph..... the i in "If they are able" should not be cap. Lastly the word "absolutly", also in the last paeragraph, should just be "absolute" since it was preceded by the word "the".That's just three corrections while very briefly overlooking your very lengthy article.
I'm here for photos and advice on how to take them. Not grammer lessons.
Michael O' wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
Pepper wrote:
Let me begin by saying that my goal here is to be helpful. I do not want to offend anyone but I’ve noticed several comments regarding spelling and grammatical errors in some posts. When I take the time to post a comment I’d like you all to focus on my comment and not on my spelling but I realize that part of the responsibility for that is on me. I can’t spell a lick so here’s how I approach the problem. I open a Word document and type my comments there; my spell checker catches almost all of my spelling errors and most of my grammatical errors as well. Then I highlight the text and right click and click on cut. I then open my message window and click on it to activate the text box. Right click in the box and click on paste. Again I’m trying to be helpful here not condescending or offensive, please accept this in the spirit it was offered.
Let me begin by saying that my goal here is to be ... (show quote)


I know exactly what you mean, but this site seems to be better than most forums I've seen. Some people use no punctuation or capitalization, and spelling is out the window. That can be a real challenge to decipher.

What bothers me even more is obvious spelling and grammatical errors in professionally done articles and ads.
quote=Pepper Let me begin by saying that my goal ... (show quote)


jerryc41 and myweb2001 New Yawk pretty country folks. I'm with you both on the illiterate writing done these days by so-called professional writers -- at least they get paid, and what they turn out is pretty poor. As one of you said, apparently website and printed publications no longer use proofreaders. I guess it's our fault for still reading their slop.
I an a technical writer, a soccer officiating instructor for USSF in Illinois, and a degreed engineer, and it drives me, as the Canadians say it, "Right round the bend". I note grievous and multiple errors in spelling, punctuation, verbiage, syntax, definitions, etc. in news rags such as the Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal, and local newspapers, as well as prestigious magazines. It's rather like Chicago major sports teams -- they get by with unsatisfactory performance simply because the public literally buys their "on the cheap" product anyway. I often send an e-mail pointing out an error and ask for more professionalism and the employment of a PROOFREADER, but nothing seems to change. Example : the "Trib" continues to call socker goalkeepers "goalies". Nowhere in the FIFA Laws of the Game or in any US literature is the man who wears the "keeper" jersey defined as anything but a Goalkeeper, or Keeper for short. A "goalie" wears skates, very heavy padding, a motorcycle helmet, a hard plastic face mask, stiff gloves, and at times beats his opponent heavily with a large stick. Absolutely NONE of this good hockey attire or action is allowed on a world-football (okay, soccer) field. The untied Nations (yes, I'm politically prejudiced) had, I believe, at last count, 163 member "nations", dictators, socialists, communists and all. The FIFA (Federation International Football Association) has 204 National associations (one per country) contesting in the Men's World cup over each 4 year period. But our local yokel sports writers cannot be bothered to look in the annually published FIFA Laws of the Game printed and distributed here by the United States Soccer Federation (US Soccer) to discover the proper definitions to describe a match. They are satisfied to use 'Muricun" descriptions, even when incorrect terminology is politely pointed out to them, and even to the Sportswriter Editors. And proofreading ? They apparently won't lower themselves to hire another inept "writer".

And this ineptitude is typical of the sloppiness that undermines the learning of "proper English" by our young illiterates. And parents wonder why their children cannot turn in a passing paper IF they are able to matriculate into college. Too many cannot even get by remedial English unless it is conducted in rhyme put to chant music. And the public is shattered when corporations import people with "English" skills from countries such as India and Japan. If youth is our future, we haven't much. Decent English is the absolutely necessary tool for lifetime communications; math is the necessary tool for all technical skills. English and Math will let you achieve your goals, if one has any. Maybe that is the problem.
Sorry for the tangent, but unnecessary illiteracy drives me up the wall,
especially on the so-called professional level.
.........Michael O'
quote=jerryc41 quote=Pepper Let me begin by sayi... (show quote)
That should be " I am" not " I an ... (show quote)

Michael,
Thats grammar, not grammer.
I've noted on this subject before on previous threads, that it's interesting to note that almost everybody commenting, are not those that need the help. Occasional grammar or spelling errors is not the problem. It's the postings that are so badly spelled, no punctuation, etc., that should be spoken to.
quote=Eugene That should be " I am" not... (show quote)


I didn't claim I could type, especially in the wee hours of the morning. Grammar, yep. I beg to differ with you on my specific use of absolutely rather than absolute. Open your mind to what I was intending the reader to think.

However my communications were well accepted by industry, OEMs, dealer-OEMs and governments in a sea of market types (-- from both on and off highway trucks to marine, electric set, direct drive, specialty, and Total Energy) Provincial governments, National governments, the Canadian Navy, the Chilean Army, Mexican governmental oil enterprises, US governmental technical agencies like the US Bureau of Mines, shipyards in Canada and elsewhere in the world, and by the UN, so I was effective there, if not in a casual blog. When I was being paid for technical thinking and writing, I did it well. I had responsibility for this hemisphere except for the US proper for ten years or more re diesel, natural gas, and turbine engine application. It was fascinating work, and I now miss it muchly.

I suffered a concussion from a fall on black ice a bit ago, followed by two brain surgeries to remove first 14 ounces of blood from between my skull and brain, followed by 4 more the second time, the worst result being that it affected my memory, one evidential fact bring that I've lost what used to be my "inherent" ability to spell; I now must often resort to the dictionary when I happen to notice that a word doesn't "look right." So if you don't like my "typos" (however that is properly spelled), just don't read what I submit. Simple.
quote=johnr9999 quote=Eugene That should be &quo... (show quote)

That is so cool you can notice and fix ( although concussionand bleeding brain are very "un-cool" ways to meet a challenge of language) Stroke was result of long brain tumor surgery. When I finally got to the stage of working on words and language, it was --naming things on a sheet of paper?--Well, that was a bust, so the counsellor decided it would help to get an interpreter (1990 hospitals didn't just provide them) to see if knowing the picture word would be successful in ASL, Turns out, when my brain messes up, it does not discriminate language! I grew up Spanish, Cajun French, English, ASL. So the picture word didn't work because when one goes, they ALL go! What is amazing is what I "got to keep"!

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Dec 17, 2011 21:00:24   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
Ronny wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
I hate to introduce a variation on this topic, but here goes.

I hear people all the time saying things like, "a apple," or "a opening," rather an using the word "an."

The other one that annoys me is "the apple," rather than saying "thee apple" or "thee environment." Then, of course, we have the mispronunciation of the word "houses," without the "Z" sound.

I could go on, but I'll spare you. (You can feel sorry for my wife. She has to put up with me all the time.)
I hate to introduce a variation on this topic, but... (show quote)



Pronouncing English words with a foreign tongue is pretty tough. Especially when you have learned it the British way.
If you do not think so, try some Dutch, French or German words.
quote=jerryc41 I hate to introduce a variation on... (show quote)

Try Russian. Especially the word for love (lyublyu). In my second year of Russian (back in the '60's) we had an newspaper article on the bulletin board about a girl on the east coast who had dislocated her jaw trying to pronouce a
Russian word!

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Dec 17, 2011 22:07:33   #
Cornishpete Loc: Illinois
 
Here is a copy of the letter I sent to the editor of our local newspaper some time ago. His paper, The Intelligencer is notorious for the number of errors of use or spelling that presumably his spell-checker program passed without comment.

"“Deer editor. Eye hope yew print this two show there are limitations too spell checkers when yore writers cannot spell in the thirst plaice.
Yore paper brakes awl records four mistakes. It panes me too sea that hour schools dew knot teach spelling and grammar any moor
Sew, is their any weigh that eye can help yew? As won who reeds yore paper regularly Eye wood like to bee yore proofreader! “

All the above nonsense would be accepted by a spell-checker program. Needless to say, I did not receive a reply from him.

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