sorry double post! A lot like being wrong place wrong time! HAHA
f-stop wrote:
I am a retired prof firefighter of over 30 years. I was a company officer assigned to a hazardous materials unit, then reassigned to a technical rescue unit ( that unit is now apart of USAR..".Urban Search And Rescue". ...) shortly after working the OKC Bombing, I was reassigned as a staff officer with our aviation division and responded to several aircraft accidents. During ALL these assignments we have been photographed countless times by media and citizens alike. Most truly do respect the scene with regards to deceased persons. On a few occasions the safety line..aka yellow tape was breeched by those wanting to get closer for a photo. The reason for the tape is not only to preserve the legality of the scene to to ensure safety of those in the area, citizens and responders alike. I know of no professional responder that objects to photographers during these incidents... as long it's done in a RESPECTABLE & SAFE manner.
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True, F Stop. I'm still on the job I also teach on the state level.
Blake
BrettOssman wrote:
I was just thinking about the day traffic stopped due to a delivery truck on fire. Wish I had my Canon SX50 with me then. WOW. All I had was a super low end camera phone. Not very good.
Anyway, I started to think about the etiquette of photographing these situations. I understand about model and property releases and all that stuff, but what is respectable or appropriate?
How do victims and first repsonders feel about this, if any read this? Would love to hear their point of view..
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Not trying to be mean or a smartA** but it seems like you are trying to get someone else to define your morals for you. For me personally I have no one filming or photographing me or my loved ones as dead people. Death is as much a part of life as birth. If you could make a dollar doing it then more power to you. I think that would be great. Were it me doing the photography it would depend greatly on the circumstance, with what and who were involved. Pain and grief are also a part of life and if they do not destroy us they make us stronger. If I were in that great pain of losing someone near to me I could give a hoot as to what anyone around me is doing. It simply would not matter. So as I said we each have our own moral values and we also have to live with what we see and do. The only thing I can say for sure is that if you were photographing the dead, they are not going to object.
My two cents on this I useally do pictures of this kinda sort but I do not and will not ever take a picture of a deceased person or grieving person.I think its not morally right but also I just dont have a heart to do that.I was once a volunteer firefighter for about 10 yrs off and on my sevice i seen alot and watched people die in front of me.One of which was my step dad died of a heart attack.as note here's a couple of pictures that i'am posting of this.--------------------NOTE--------------there was no one in the building was closed down and the brand new car that was crushed belonged to the owner of the next doors business if she used the parking lot instead of the alley her car would of been saved.
Most of the posts seem to be of taking photos in tragic circumstances I a local setting. I am wondering if photographers would feel differently were they far from home or on assignment. Just wondering if the lines separating good taste, ethics, morality or whatever label we choose gets a bit blurry if it was part of your job?
I was thinking of the well respected James Nachtway who has made a living by taking images surrounding war and the death and destruction that lies in it's aftermath including images of grieving parents and relatives, funerals, victims. His images are powerful reminders of human tragedy. How would we be reminded of these incidents if
not for photographers that in some cases put their own life at risk to capture those images? On one hand, the passion and commitment required can be viewed as admirable, on the other, it's just a job. In the end, it's all about the money. Perhaps the point I struggle with, is morality may be easier to set aside when you depend on those images for your living vs. photographing as a hobbyist volunteer?
Admit it or not, we are drawn to those images represented in magazines, TV, documentaries, etc.
I think we have a penchant for recording the best as well as the worst in human behavior and everything in between. I think there is little difference between recording the beginning of life or the end. Is the barrier only the circumstances surrounding each of them?
This had been a good discussion. I appreciate being a part of it.
I don't think there is a problem with asking others in your peer group what they think. This is how our society forms its norms
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
Five pages involving a very sensitive issue. Differing opinions and no name calling, great thread.
Findoc wrote:
I don't think there is a problem with asking others in your peer group what they think. This is how our society forms its norms
I agree. It's been interesting.
chapjohn wrote:
As a law enforecment chaplain, I do not photograph scenes I am called to. These scenes usually involve a death/suicide. I am given the priviledge to enter the grief of these people, I fail to see what good is accomplished by photographing that. Yes, I get inside the yellow tape and often the inner tape also.
I see your point but you are going inside their private personal territory where amateur photographers off the street don't belong. You would be violating people's personal space by shooting them while comforting them. That's kinda sick to think about actually. I also don't think it would be appropriate for anybody to take disgusting forensic-type photos with a long zoom of a guy bleeding to death with a broken skull.
But if someone photographs a rolled over car, ambulances, another car up a tree, etc. then sells or gives the shots to a local TV news or newspaper when there aren't TV or newspaper reporters on the scene, they have provided a public service of being at that location at the correct time to provide coverage of something the public would like to know about.
marcomarks wrote:
I see your point but you are going inside their private personal territory where amateur photographers off the street don't belong. You would be violating people's personal space by shooting them while comforting them. That's kinda sick to think about actually. I also don't think it would be appropriate for anybody to take disgusting forensic-type photos with a long zoom of a guy bleeding to death with a broken skull.
But if someone photographs a rolled over car, ambulances, another car up a tree, etc. then sells or gives the shots to a local TV news or newspaper when there aren't TV or newspaper reporters on the scene, they have provided a public service of being at that location at the correct time to provide coverage of something the public would like to know about.
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photographs or even recorded images, ie film, that are taken at a Motor Vechile Accident (MVA) or anyother type of tradgic event are prohihited when the victim can be identified according to the FCC and the news print assocations . However to show tired first responders or while they are working is ok. I also personally disagree with showing the distraught greiving family and friends. It is new when there is a wreck or fire or other events and should be covered but there is a limit.
Good points on photographing the dead. Maybe we can use the news media as a guide. I think most of us have seen video of tragic accidents, but bodies are normally covered. If not covered, they usually pixel identifying features out. Perhaps this could serve as a guideline in order to operate within the confines of he law and good taste. Good stuff to think about.
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