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Apr 24, 2013 13:33:56   #
Loki/Alaska Loc: Alaska
 
Looking for an answer to why these pictures are so grainy. When I blow them up and print them they look very poor. I am using a Nikon d 300 with a 70- 300 zoom with the av on and off. I was sitting on a snow machine so I was very steady. I shot in both program and manual mode. I also shot in raw and fine jpeg. thanks for any suggestions.

Swans 1
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swans 2
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swans 3
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Apr 24, 2013 13:48:32   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
Your ISO didn't seem very high at 400. What are the megapixels on your camera?

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Apr 24, 2013 13:50:40   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
Have these been cropped down or are the the orginal size?

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Apr 24, 2013 14:09:51   #
GWR100 Loc: England
 
It looks very poor light, so if you crop drastically there man not be enough substance to give you clarity.

Loki/Alaska wrote:
Looking for an answer to why these pictures are so grainy. When I blow them up and print them they look very poor. I am using a Nikon d 300 with a 70- 300 zoom with the av on and off. I was sitting on a snow machine so I was very steady. I shot in both program and manual mode. I also shot in raw and fine jpeg. thanks for any suggestions.

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Apr 24, 2013 14:22:26   #
hangman45 Loc: Hueytown Alabama
 
Little under exposed and that is making it have a little noise played around with it in Photoshop and made it better try upping your exposure and use a little noise reduction.

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Apr 24, 2013 14:29:44   #
Loki/Alaska Loc: Alaska
 
Loki/Alaska wrote:
Looking for an answer to why these pictures are so grainy. When I blow them up and print them they look very poor. I am using a Nikon d 300 with a 70- 300 zoom with the av on and off. I was sitting on a snow machine so I was very steady. I shot in both program and manual mode. I also shot in raw and fine jpeg. thanks for any suggestions.


Swan pic 3 is 5.05 mp and has not been cropped. The raw images were around 10 mp and seem to have the same problem.It was cloudy out so i used iso 400 to get a faster speed. I think you should be able to open the picture an see all the shooting info. I tried to put up the raw shot but it is to big.The first pic swan #2 has been cropped and was not the pic I wanted to put up.
Here is a few more pictures with the same problem.

swan # 4 5.91 mp
swan # 4   5.91 mp...

swan # 5 4.81 mp
swan # 5  4.81 mp...

swan 6 3.87 mp
swan 6  3.87 mp...

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Apr 24, 2013 14:32:16   #
Loki/Alaska Loc: Alaska
 
Why would I have a lot of noise at iso 400. I was staying under exposed because of the white snow and white swans. Do you think being under exposed could be the problem ? Thanks jim

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Apr 24, 2013 14:55:26   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
Loki/Alaska wrote:
Why would I have a lot of noise at iso 400. I was staying under exposed because of the white snow and white swans. Do you think being under exposed could be the problem ? Thanks jim


I had opened the info on one of your photos and saw that it was ISO 400. So I really didn't thing that was the problem. Someone mentioned cropping and I thought, yes that might be it, but you said it was not cropped. Maybe 400 ISO is a bad one for your camera. Sometime 100 ISO is bad, but never thought 400 would be.

By the way, you can not post Raw on the forums, just jpgs.

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Apr 24, 2013 15:02:38   #
hangman45 Loc: Hueytown Alabama
 
Loki/Alaska wrote:
Why would I have a lot of noise at iso 400. I was staying under exposed because of the white snow and white swans. Do you think being under exposed could be the problem ? Thanks jim


Yes if under exposed it will introduce noise in a picture

Upped exposure 1.25 and ran through noiseware
Upped exposure 1.25 and ran through noiseware...

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Apr 24, 2013 15:05:44   #
Bret Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
They look just a bit under exposed....not quite a full stop.

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Apr 24, 2013 15:15:58   #
GHK Loc: The Vale of Eden
 
Loki/Alaska wrote:
Looking for an answer to why these pictures are so grainy. When I blow them up and print them they look very poor. I am using a Nikon d 300 with a 70- 300 zoom with the av on and off. I was sitting on a snow machine so I was very steady. I shot in both program and manual mode. I also shot in raw and fine jpeg. thanks for any suggestions.


They don't look grainy to me. They are rather soft and the highlights are much too dark, with the shadows just a bit pale. These latter are easily remedied using Curves. I have aded a little impact, also with Curves.



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Apr 24, 2013 15:33:36   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Poor light and poor technique will always result in poor images.

I only downloaded one photo to look at but here is what I found there:
EV set to -1/3, Why?
F13, from the look of the distances F8 would have worked well and is a better aperture on that lens.
1/640 sec shutter, that's OK, except for it wasn't enough light for the speed.
Shot at 300mm, your lens loses sharpness after 250mm.
ISO 400, I would have selected a higher ISo in that light.
Sharpness is set in the camera at "Soft", no idea why you would do that for outdoor shooting.
Multi-segment metering selected, too much snow for this.
White Balance manually set to "Sunny", doesn't look sunny to me.

But these are just my observations from your download.

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Apr 24, 2013 15:46:49   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Loki/Alaska wrote:
Looking for an answer to why these pictures are so grainy. When I blow them up and print them they look very poor. I am using a Nikon d 300 with a 70- 300 zoom with the av on and off. I was sitting on a snow machine so I was very steady. I shot in both program and manual mode. I also shot in raw and fine jpeg. thanks for any suggestions.


Loki, the ISO is not the problem.
Your scene has no light, no contrast, no highlights and needs to be shot slow in those conditions. You have the perfect storm for noisy fotos. It's not you, that's just the way it is. Your sensor can't deal with it and you can't fix it in PP.
Like shooting in fog, you can't fix it.
It's not your equipment. Just the way it is.
Happy shooting

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Apr 24, 2013 15:48:47   #
Wendy2 Loc: California
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Poor light and poor technique will always result in poor images.

I only downloaded one photo to look at but here is what I found there:
EV set to -1/3, Why?
F13, from the look of the distances F8 would have worked well and is a better aperture on that lens.
1/640 sec shutter, that's OK, except for it wasn't enough light for the speed.
Shot at 300mm, your lens loses sharpness after 250mm.
ISO 400, I would have selected a higher ISo in that light.
Sharpness is set in the camera at "Soft", no idea why you would do that for outdoor shooting.
Multi-segment metering selected, too much snow for this.
White Balance manually set to "Sunny", doesn't look sunny to me.

But these are just my observations from your download.
Poor light and poor technique will always result i... (show quote)


Great information that we can all learn from!!!

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Apr 24, 2013 15:59:02   #
Loki/Alaska Loc: Alaska
 
Wendy2 wrote:
Great information that we can all learn from!!!


Thanks for the input. I changed it ev to 0 when I realize it was at 1/3. I did not see sharpness was set on soft. Will change that for sure.
as far as the shutter speed I try ed to keep it fast so when they did some displays or took off I was ready. I missed some shots the day before . Anyhow thank you for your input jim

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