josoIII

The art world turn down Hilter's art work, said he was not good enough, if only someone had known to say "I like it"... and paid the few marks for it, he would have become a struggles artist...

I find it also of great interest that most art is critiqued by those looking to sell it, or can afford to buy it, but it is created by those who struggle...

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

good point. if you have sen any of the few paintings he did they aren't horrible but you get such a spooky feeling from them. if only he had been accepted to art school, if only john wilkes booth had missed, if only jfk had backed the bay of pigs etc. by the way i wanted to ask about your avatar. a really nice shot but i get a russian feel to it like you are a political commisar about to lead a charge att stalingrad. my mind works in very quirky ways sometimes. also wanted to say enjoy reading your posts, and you do give out good info :thumbup:

josoIII

sinatraman it looks like just you and me today, I guess we do not watch a lot football, I am glad we do it, our way...

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

JOSO said "sinatraman it looks like just you and me today"

No, I am here watching you two sinister looking dudes. Taking notes. I believe you two have been influenced by watching "Pinky and the Brain" as children. (seriously, this is a worthwhile philosophical discussion, I found it interesting. Kudos,) d/p Don.

Joso and SinMan Incognito

marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL

If only a few Jewish kids hadn't harassed Hitler as a kid, and if only Jewish adults hadn't hassled his father, a grocery shopkeeper, as cheapskates trying to "Jew" him down on prices, he also might not have come to hate all Jews with such intensity that he carried out his revenge on 6 million of them. If only somebody listened to his ranting and raving and said, "Oh, shut up." and he actually did, the whole Nazi thing would never have happened.

Ansel Adams is most known for his B&W work that occurred while he was taking 6-week hiking trips into the mountains. A lot of people don't know he also shot color, had a color developing lab in his house, dried the prints in his oven, mounted and/or framed them, and sold them commercially to make a living so he could work in B&W. He probably didn't even like those shots but did it anyway to survive. Would AA be known today if he didn't shoot his famous B&Ws and shot color all the time instead?

The Beatles changed rock and roll from the moment they landed on U.S. soil. Lennon and McCartney knew each other and had a band in high school. If they had stayed in England playing clubs, and never went overseas, what would the world's rock and roll music scene be today? Would Bill Haley, Do-Wop style groups, Carl Perkins, and Chuck Berry have led us into what R&R eventually became? Not likely. I could name 100 awesome guitar players who probably wouldn't even exist today if the Beatles didn't influence music into the Woodstock Generation and beyond. What would we be listening to today? The changes in all facets of the world including clothing, social norms, language, and much more would be completely different if two of the Beatles looked at each other in 1961 and shook their heads and said, "It would be too easy to fail over there. Let's be safe and stay here in England where we know the market and what people want."

What I'm saying is that any single change in history, no matter how small, would alter history in a multitude of ways because of decades and centuries of chain reaction of the spider web of different results that would happen very differently from that one change in history.

What if Hitler hadn't tried to take over Russia, sending his military into weather conditions they couldn't endure while being attacked on other fronts at the same time? What if we and Russia weren't on the same side at that point? All of Europe could be very different today as one big dictatorship under the control of Germany and/or Russia!

It's actually mind-boggling to try different scenarios of possible current conditions and futures with one single past event altered. A friend of mine and I used to sit in Denny's restaurants sometimes until dawn doing those mind games for fun.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

i too used to do that with freinds as weird as i was. I also like harry turttledoves work of alternative history such as what if the south had won the civil war. and thhe greatest what if movie ever made was i can't think of the name but it had martin sheen and charles durling and envolved the uss nimitz going back in time to december 6,1941.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

FRENCH HISTORY HAS CHANGED AND THUS THE WORLD'S

Let us not forget that one lady changed the course of French history. No, not the French Revolution, I am talking about Strauss-Kahn who may have been the next president of France.

The first moment I heard the story I was suspicious. The KEY was the bathroom door, "suddenly the bathroom door opened and ... ". Well, really, humph, when men are in the bathroom taking a shower they never shut the door; it is a guy thing.

Additionally bathrooms are usually next to the entry door. And maids have a list of vacant rooms. And ...
But Key is the closed door. If you had grown up on Ellery Queen's Minute Mysteries on radio you would have known.
Hence: the history of the world was changed and a shot was not fired.

Regarding Mr. H and Russia. For gosh sakes, if you are going to invade a country, visit it first in the worse weather, and read about past wars. Did Neapolitan successfully invade Russia? Nope, Fresh Frozen French was the result. So could Mr. H not see that Germans freeze at the same temperatures???

And for the USA: if you can not read above the grade school level let someone other than your substitute father, Daddy Lets Have a War for Bucks, advise you about the histories of wars in Afghanistan!!! Also urban house to house warfare, your Daddy knew better. Cause if no other country has been successful against the Afghanistan popup groundhog game, "Whack a Groundhog Game," then why would you try and squander the fortune and lives of your country?

Now at 75 I am beginning to sound like Jack Crabb last survivor of the Little Big Horn. Damn George, could he not consider dem injuns was goinna win. See Dustin Hoffman in Little Big Man.

Sorry guys and gals, but dumb is dumb and history changes OUCH!! It changes my personal destiny along with that of the world. Mine do you hear me Mine.....
d/p Don

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

SinMan: The movie was from 1980 "The Final Countdown"

WoW movie,,, gotta see that one,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj7_fxZWDsc