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Apr 4, 2013 07:43:30   #
kschwegl Loc: Orangeburg, NY
 
charles brown wrote:
Was watching TV last night and just happen to stop surfing on a shopping channel that was selling a brand name DSLR. Decided to listen for a few minutes and wish I hadn"t. In summary they said; you can put the camera on Auto or one of the special settings (portrait, landscapes, etc.) and take great photogrpahs. That's all there is to it. They then showed some really good photographs and told the audience that they were taken by someone with no camera experience and that you too could do the same. One spokesman did say briefly that the camera could be set to manual just in case someone "else" in the family was familiar with that type of camera. But then went on to say basically that it didn't matter, with this camera you can't go wrong and will be taking great photographs in just a few days. At that point I had had enough and resumed surfing. Problem for me is that there is some truth in what they said. The quality of today's cameras in picture taking ability is fantastic. And the level of knowlege and experience necessary to take good photographs is, lets be polite and just say not very much. If a person has a naturally good eye for composition then the camera can do the rest. Must admit that this makes me mad. As an elderly curmedgeon I do resent that after all the years I spent learning and practicing, beginning with 35mm film, folks can, without any understanding of what the S, AV, and M camera settings do, consistently take very good photographs. What further makes me mad is how many don't really care to learn or who want the information spoon fed to them. I know, get over it, this is the digital age and learn to live with it. I will, but not without a fight. Also know it is a losing battle.
Was watching TV last night and just happen to stop... (show quote)


Anyone can "take" a picture, but it takes effort and knowledge to "create" a photograph.

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Apr 4, 2013 08:14:43   #
saparoo Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
steveo52 wrote:
Ditto! Just 2 years ago I was using a point and shoot Fuji 8 mp. They were some decent "snap shots", but I wasn't having half the fun I have now with my Canon 60d.


Ditto, Ditto! A few years ago I started with a Rebel XT, always on auto. Then I got the Canon 60D, continued to shoot auto, but about a year ago I decided to start learning composition, lighting, and the AV, Tv and M modes. Thanks to this forum, I have learned soooo much and have a much better understanding of photography. I am still a novice compared to all in this forum but find myself out of auto mode more and more. Thanks to everyone in this forum!!!!

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Apr 4, 2013 08:33:38   #
krf4 Loc: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
 
rebride wrote:
Some day you will be able to just blink and take a high resolution picture. No camera involved.


I wonder if they will work with my X-Ray vision glasses?

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Apr 4, 2013 08:36:55   #
balexander101 Loc: Occoquan VA
 
Charles Brown...I have a similar background as you and I do understand your feelings. But, I would not trade those years of experience and learning our craft for anything!! We know why, how and what we are doing when we create a photographic image....and I think we get more saisfaction for our work!!

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Apr 4, 2013 08:43:36   #
Anthony Jr Loc: Spokane Wa area
 
I am over 70 and I just received my new Nikon D5100. I can now have some fun experimenting ( with some learning tools ) with the controls.
pinkycat wrote:
I agree with your sentiments. As one who is just starting out, let me assure you that there are still those of us who are serious about learning the art and technique of photography. I guess it's like someone who decides to make an apple pie with pre-made crust and canned filling as opposed to someone who makes the whole thing from scratch. :thumbup:

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Apr 4, 2013 08:47:41   #
Dirtylense Loc: Chester, Vt
 
Funny this subject should arise now. I've struggled with the frustration for some time now that anyone who can purchase a digital camera and an editing program can now decide they are a photographer! I myself have always loved "ART" in pretty much every form. My first camera was a very inexpensive 35mm point and shoot that I'd bought at a yard sale for $2.00 at the ripe young age of 14. Until about 10 years ago, I'd had a number of different versions of the same type of camera which is when I received, as a Christmas gift, my canon rebel (35mm) kit. A short time later I acquired a 75-300EF lens to expand my horizons. Next came books! Almost anything I could find about photography but quickly became admirable of Bryan Petersons book "Understanding Exposure" as it was written in a text to cover both digital and us "film" camera users. It's still myrefer to bible any time I get lost in what I'm attempting to create. Anyhow, back to the actual topic of discussion. My frustration level due to this "technical age", as it's has brought me to the point of pretty much burrying my, now digital, gear in the back of the closet and assuming a position of "I use to be a photographer"! I absolutely love the art and process of capturing photos whether it be true as is or in a creative form but I am anything but computer savvy and honestly have no interest in spending hours of my time "making" photos, when I'd much rather be "taking" them! Wow, talk about rambling!! I'm also 1-1/2 weeks into the recovery phase of shoulder surgery so forgive my depression!

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Apr 4, 2013 08:54:05   #
Poison Ivey Loc: Mtn Brook, AL
 
Rob O'. Phones with cameras is forcing Camera Manu make better cameras!...but they are still losing market share.

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Apr 4, 2013 08:55:42   #
chaprick
 
I am just imagining Ansel Adams camping out on top of a mountain with his pack mule waiting for his one shot with his 8X10 giant view camera on the exact moment that the sunrise light crests the mountain and brilliantly illuminates the clouds and trees and shows the coarse contrast of the rock cliffs. At that very moment a 14 year old comes riding up on his 4 wheeler right next to him and fires off about 12 HDR photos with his iPhone 5. With the motor still running he peels off in the dirt kicking up a storm of dust and ruins Ansel's 2 minute exposure as well as covering his equipment with dirt and dust... The next month the kid's massively photoshopped pictures are featured in Popular Photography magazine...

Nevertheless.....Ansel is still the master of light, composition, and exposure control. :)

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Apr 4, 2013 08:59:58   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I would tend to think we were all among the lowest common denominator at one time.

IMO there are two aspects to photography the technical and composition. I have seen lots and read lots both here and in other sources that seem to stress the technical: its the glass, the anti shake, the f stop etc.

But the great photos are those that stress composition.

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Apr 4, 2013 09:06:50   #
WYp8riot Loc: Wyoming
 
Xtreme66 wrote:
What really floored me was when I discovered that they make lenses that you can put on your iphone! Really? It's a frikkin' phone!! not a camera.


I believe I heardd on the radio yesterday abouit an Iphone photo that made a magazine cover.

However I think perception is wrong for most people.

How does one judge a good photo? By the difficulty and years it took to learn? I say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of things could lead to a good photo, including chance and accident. And as shown above, auto settings do not always serve well.

I really don't care if a newbie takes great photos. What is the problem with that?

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Apr 4, 2013 09:11:59   #
big-guy Loc: Peterborough Ontario Canada
 
There is a basic flaw in your statement that anyone can "CONSISTENTLY" take good photographs. It should read as 75% of the time they can TAKE good snap shots and they are happy in their ignorance.

Those with the knowledge can consistently MAKE a good photograph and we smile quietly at the great unwashed. :)

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Apr 4, 2013 09:14:06   #
FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.
 
Some of you guys sound just like the girls who used to sit behind switchboards with cables and bitch about self-dialing phones taking all the fun and romance out of placing a telephone call, or the blacksmith who bitched about the horseless carriage. Do you also hate electric washing machines and vacuum cleaners?

If you'd stop and think for a minute, you'd see that the alternative to the progress you're whining about is a return to black and white glass plates, 40 pound tripods, and hundreds of millions fewer views of our world that YOU can now see that you never would have ever been able to see a hundred years ago. Or at best, fragile film that you could easily ruin, made you wait two weeks to see what you'd just shot, and gave you NONE of the flexibility with regards to sensitivity, color and development that you get with a digital camera.

Besides, it's never the hardware anyway - if you get your panties in an uproar because a 12 year old girl can take a better shot with an iPhone on AUTO than you can with your 80 years of experience and $3000 DSLR, it's because she's a better photographer than you are.

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Apr 4, 2013 09:14:37   #
eospaddy Loc: Liverpool UK
 
Rob O' wrote:
If you're talking about the Canon T4i on QVC, keep in mind these are the same people who sell a computer and tell you that you get $900 worth of software on it, which in actuality is nothing more than crapware you get on any new computer. They're selling a good camera to the lowest common denominator in America - people who have no idea how to take a good photograph but think that the camera will do it for them. MOST will be highly disappointed in their results and post on help forums something like this: "All my shots turn out blurry. I'm taking candlelight pictures indoors of my granddaughter's birthday cake. What's wrong with my camera?"

So don't be too upset about QCV. There will always be a difference between good snapshots and good photographs. Remember, if 700 monkeys typed for 700 years, eventually they would produce the complete works of Shakespeare. The same holds true for camera users on auto.
If you're talking about the Canon T4i on QVC, keep... (show quote)


well said, i got 3ti last year and only after a whole years worth a camera technology burnt into my brain and getting my head round aperture iso and shutter speed and only when i turned my camera off Auto did i start getting some creative pics, still struggle with exposure slightly but i am getting there but i would not achieve creative pics in Auto, if people are going to stay in Auto mode then there best buying a decent point and shoot instead of dslr

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Apr 4, 2013 09:22:11   #
photonphysicist Loc: Texas
 
I am with you! Some people who have seen my work remark, "wow, you must have a good camera!" as if the camera did all the work and my knowledge and experience had nothing to do with it.

There is a big difference between the Wright Flyer and the F-22 and while "joe raggedy" could probably keep the F-22 in flight easier than the Wright Flyer, there is the whole aspect of take-off, landing, and using the airplane to achieve air superiority that requires a trained professional with knowledge and experience to do the right thing!

By analogy, the latest generation of digital cameras can enable "joe raggedy" to take a technically correct exposure, but then there is the whole aspect of working with the subject, composing the layout, creating the look and feel, artistically telling a story, etc. that requires a trained professional with knowledge and experience.

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Apr 4, 2013 09:39:31   #
hikergal Loc: North Idaho
 
Esther, you mentioned something about comparing two photographs side by side on the computer. This is exactly what I have been trying to figure out how to do, comparing pics from two different cameras. Is there an easy way or some software used to do this?

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