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Dec 3, 2011 18:45:40   #
cgchief Loc: Jarrettsville
 
lfdaly wrote:
I use Elements 8, Silver Efex and Professional Portrait. What are the reasons to add Lightroom?

I got suckered into buying Lightroom 3 by Adobe sending me a special offer $99; I was amazed that Adobe would have such a piece of garbage in their repertory.
I didn't see Thomas Knoll's name on it.

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Dec 3, 2011 21:23:01   #
travlnman46 Loc: Yakima WA
 
Hi Cecil... You might try Picasa or Gimp both are free photo editing programs and both will do most of what Photo Shop will do. I've found Picasa easier for me to understand and use but both do great jobs. Both have been recommended here at UHH in various forums. You are more than welcome. I would suggest you start a discussion asking your question about cloning with LR3, if it can be done there will be someone who knows how to do it or at least will be able to answer your question.

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Dec 4, 2011 09:52:03   #
Ceil Loc: St. Paul, MN
 
travlnman46 wrote:
Hi Cecil... You might try Picasa or Gimp both are free photo editing programs and both will do most of what Photo Shop will do. I've found Picasa easier for me to understand and use but both do great jobs. Both have been recommended here at UHH in various forums. You are more than welcome. I would suggest you start a discussion asking your question about cloning with LR3, if it can be done there will be someone who knows how to do it or at least will be able to answer your question.


Thank you. Your suggestion is excellent. Amazon had Elements on sale for $49 so I purchased it. I understand from others that Elements does have a cloning tool and is completely compatible with Lightroom.

Onward and upward, one day at time. :-)

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Dec 4, 2011 12:02:03   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Hi,

I have recently purchased Elements but didn't know what a "cloning tool" is.

The help speaks to a "clone stamp". Is that what you mean? If so, yes it has one.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Ceil wrote:
travlnman46 wrote:
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I understand from others that Elements does have a cloning tool and is completely compatible with Lightroom.

Onward and upward, one day at time. :-)

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Dec 4, 2011 15:07:00   #
Ceil Loc: St. Paul, MN
 
lleach wrote:
Hi,

I have recently purchased Elements but didn't know what a "cloning tool" is.

The help speaks to a "clone stamp". Is that what you mean? If so, yes it has one.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Ceil wrote:
travlnman46 wrote:
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I understand from others that Elements does have a cloning tool and is completely compatible with Lightroom.

Onward and upward, one day at time. :-)


Larry I am sure it is. Cloning means you can duplicate one area on top of another area. For example if I had a black table cloth photographed and discovered there were several pieces of white lint on it...I could "clone" a black area and superimpose it on top of the white lint...and just like that the white lint disappears. That's all I know. I am also a beginner in using this stuff, but it sure is fun learning how to use it. Adds a whole new other dimension to photography. Ceil

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Dec 4, 2011 18:37:31   #
LouMartin Loc: Houston
 
Yes the tool is called Clone Stamp Tool. for removing the spots of lint best shot would be the Spot Healing Brush tool. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 5, 2011 01:28:33   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Yes, it does that.

Ceil wrote:
lleach wrote:
Hi,

I have recently purchased Elements but didn't know what a "cloning tool" is.

The help speaks to a "clone stamp". Is that what you mean? If so, yes it has one.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Ceil wrote:
travlnman46 wrote:
.


I understand from others that Elements does have a cloning tool and is completely compatible with Lightroom.

Onward and upward, one day at time. :-)


Larry I am sure it is. Cloning means you can duplicate one area on top of another area. For example if I had a black table cloth photographed and discovered there were several pieces of white lint on it...I could "clone" a black area and superimpose it on top of the white lint...and just like that the white lint disappears. That's all I know. I am also a beginner in using this stuff, but it sure is fun learning how to use it. Adds a whole new other dimension to photography. Ceil
quote=lleach Hi, br br I have recently purchased... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2011 04:31:33   #
Pandabob Loc: Dallas, TX
 
The main advantage to me is that LR is a non-destructive edit. I'm not sure if the latest version of the organizer in elements does this but when I edit a photo in LR the original RAW file is untouched. When newer better software comes out I can go back to my original RAW files and start an edit from scratch rather than trying to work from an edit.

I'm also finding that I do very little editing to a photo outside of LR. If I don't need layers or advanced masking then LR does everything I need.

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Dec 5, 2011 08:18:52   #
Ceil Loc: St. Paul, MN
 
I do not know how to do layers or masking, but eventually I will......
Thank you for your comment. I also love Lightroom. (even though I don't understand as yet what all it can do.)

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Dec 5, 2011 08:49:16   #
edwh
 
This is the first program to use. Sort , store and basic touchup. Many pros use this and only this program. It is the best of all adobe programs

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Dec 5, 2011 08:50:57   #
Ceil Loc: St. Paul, MN
 
Well at least I know I'm on the right track!

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Dec 5, 2011 09:53:01   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Hi,

I don't know the default in Elements but from using other programs I always first "save as" the file I am going to work. I use a different file name such as adding e1, e2, etc. as I go.

So I don't see that as an issue.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Pandabob wrote:
The main advantage to me is that LR is a non-destructive edit. I'm not sure if the latest version of the organizer in elements does this but when I edit a photo in LR the original RAW file is untouched. When newer better software comes out I can go back to my original RAW files and start an edit from scratch rather than trying to work from an edit.

I'm also finding that I do very little editing to a photo outside of LR. If I don't need layers or advanced masking then LR does everything I need.
The main advantage to me is that LR is a non-destr... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2011 09:58:30   #
gmccaleb Loc: East KY / South AL
 
bkyser wrote:
I'm dying to get LR. I have elements 8 and just moved up to CS5. Elements organizer was OK when I had fewer pictures, I now have 180,000 (don't ask, I never pitch even a bad picture, a "bit" of a hoarder) Anyway, Elements organizer chokes on too many photos and crashes completely. From what I understand, LR can handle thousands, and may also help me to group them, and maybe even....gasp... delete some. :shock:


I feel your pain, but spent the weekend deleting bad photos. Had to be rational about it, what good are they? I just got Lightroom and am trying to set up the catalog. Unfortunately, I imported a bunch of pics before I knew what I was doing. Ordered a book by Scott Kelby and the first line is don't do anything until you decide how to catalog. OOOPS! Hoping I can back up. Anyway, for a rookie like me, it does some pretty good editing, too.

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Dec 5, 2011 10:27:02   #
POVDOV
 
snowbears got it. It also lets you adjust the camera calibrations and lens correction. Includes comprehensive printing and setting up your own web page. Really good software. I would not have been able to comprehend everything about Lightroom without Scott Kelby's book. povdov

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Dec 5, 2011 10:29:21   #
Pandabob Loc: Dallas, TX
 
lleach wrote:
Hi,

I don't know the default in Elements but from using other programs I always first "save as" the file I am going to work. I use a different file name such as adding e1, e2, etc. as I go.

So I don't see that as an issue.

Regards,
Larry Leach

Pandabob wrote:
The main advantage to me is that LR is a non-destructive edit. I'm not sure if the latest version of the organizer in elements does this but when I edit a photo in LR the original RAW file is untouched. When newer better software comes out I can go back to my original RAW files and start an edit from scratch rather than trying to work from an edit.

I'm also finding that I do very little editing to a photo outside of LR. If I don't need layers or advanced masking then LR does everything I need.
The main advantage to me is that LR is a non-destr... (show quote)
Hi, br br I don't know the default in Elements bu... (show quote)


I used to do the same thing while using "Bridge" which was at one point in time the organizer that came with Elements. And don't get me wrong. The most important thing is a workflow that works. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Personally once I got used to being able to flip through folders, hop into and out of the develop/edit screen with a hot-key in a fraction of the time as before knowing that any "playing around tweaks" were not permanent... it was heavenly. I also like the idea of being able to create virtual copies to create radically different edits without taking up extra space on the drive. I know... space is cheap, but still.

Tell you what... the hot-key "B" to add pics to a "quick collection" for rapid selection of a few pics among a huge chunk of pics is almost worth the $100 alone...

Now... on the "Con" side there is the notion that all of your edits are locked in a database that's external to the photo file. If you lose your Lightroom data you'll still have your original RAW files but bye-bye edits. If you use LR it's important to "export" finished versions of files so you'll have a hard copy, so to speak.

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