What's Up With These Mirrorless Cameras (Page 5): Good point. Thanks for reminding me. Yes, there used to be so many different camera types and they all had there inherent good and bad...

Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN

Good point. Thanks for reminding me. Yes, there used to be so many different camera types and they all had there inherent good and bad things as well as uses.

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Darkroom, I apologize because in fact I had planned on mentioning something about in case I misunderstood you. Got too carried away typing.

And to back up what you said, look at all the different film types and sizes. Everything from small, cheap lenses and tiny negatives on Instamatics to cheap Brownie lenses on large 620 film, generally good lenses on average size 35mm film, good lenses on large press camera film and then throw in low quality lenses (by todays standards) on 5X7 or 8X10 glass plates. With a large enough negative, no enlargement was needed and even a mediocre lens could produce an acceptable photo.

Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN

Exactly so many choices that a lot of people aren't aware of. Like I said I see the mirrorless cameras as just the return of the Rangefiner. I am rather excited about it because a DSLR can be limiting as much as I love mine.

farmerjim Loc: Rugby, England

Mogul wrote:

quote=Darkroom317 You misunderstand, I was not ta... (show quote)

Don't forget the pin-hole and "camera obscura"
:) :) :)
After 54 year of photography I've moved on to M4/3, Olympus/ Panasonic only to find I'm classed as a snapper :) :) :) :) :) :)

jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula

craggycrossers wrote:

jimberton wrote:

here you all go again...arguing over opinions.... ... (show quote)

I don't see a lot of "arguing" here - just good week end banter. Perhaps threads develop their own course often due to the nature of the title they're given and the original poster's question(s). Abby's questions invited opinion. People decided to contribute, some helpful, some downright ignorant. It's the "way of this forum".

What has the original poster learned from your contribution in response to the original question? You don't seem to enjoy healthy "argument". You love the Canon G12 (not a DSLR or a mirrorless camera). You know that you're a lot better photographer than all your pals ! You may not know much about the Nikon 1 system ! And you might "deign" to try the currently acknowledged best mirrorless camera. Look back to the title and poster's questions and reply to them. Otherwise you become like all the rest of us ...... normal but argumentative with little else to do with our week ends !! Lighten up, please !

quote=jimberton here you all go again...arguing o... (show quote)

i never said i loved my g12..it's ok. i just said i can take better photos than my buddies with it.

i also have 2 nikon d800 and lenses. so i am not a canon or nikon fanboy.

to shoot mirrorless or dslr is nothing but users choice...that's the point.

another thing....I don't think a client would be very happy paying $2000 for a wedding photographer if he or she showed up with a little mirrorless camera. I think the pros that show up with a mirrorless better lower their rates, because uncle henry that has the mirrorless will probably shoot just as good photos for free.

also i have been a will crockett fan up to the time he went mirrorless...now his photos he posts on his websites and training material don't look "above the crowd" like his photos did before.

i think mirrorless has a great appeal to the hobby photographer but not to the pro photographer yet. I know what i paid for a photographer at my own wedding 28 years ago and the photographer i paid at my daughters wedding......if they showed up with a little mirrorless, we would have had to have some serious price negotiation.

just my opinion.

Darkroom317 Loc: Mishawaka, IN

farmerjim wrote:

quote=Mogul quote=Darkroom317 You misunderstand,... (show quote)

Oops. I should have mentioned pinhole cameras. Two years ago I built a 120 film pinhole camera from scratch. I wish I had more time to work with it. Also, I forgot toy cameras such as Holga and Diana

craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK

jimberton wrote:

craggycrossers wrote:

jimberton wrote:

here you all go again...arguing over opinions.... ... (show quote)

I don't see a lot of "arguing" here - just good week end banter. Perhaps threads develop their own course often due to the nature of the title they're given and the original poster's question(s). Abby's questions invited opinion. People decided to contribute, some helpful, some downright ignorant. It's the "way of this forum".

What has the original poster learned from your contribution in response to the original question? You don't seem to enjoy healthy "argument". You love the Canon G12 (not a DSLR or a mirrorless camera). You know that you're a lot better photographer than all your pals ! You may not know much about the Nikon 1 system ! And you might "deign" to try the currently acknowledged best mirrorless camera. Look back to the title and poster's questions and reply to them. Otherwise you become like all the rest of us ...... normal but argumentative with little else to do with our week ends !! Lighten up, please !

quote=jimberton here you all go again...arguing o... (show quote)

i never said i loved my g12..it's ok. i just said i can take better photos than my buddies with it.

i also have 2 nikon d800 and lenses. so i am not a canon or nikon fanboy.

to shoot mirrorless or dslr is nothing but users choice...that's the point.

another thing....I don't think a client would be very happy paying $2000 for a wedding photographer if he or she showed up with a little mirrorless camera. I think the pros that show up with a mirrorless better lower their rates, because uncle henry that has the mirrorless will probably shoot just as good photos for free.

also i have been a will crockett fan up to the time he went mirrorless...now his photos he posts on his websites and training material don't look "above the crowd" like his photos did before.

i think mirrorless has a great appeal to the hobby photographer but not to the pro photographer yet. I know what i paid for a photographer at my own wedding 28 years ago and the photographer i paid at my daughters wedding......if they showed up with a little mirrorless, we would have had to have some serious price negotiation.

just my opinion.

quote=craggycrossers quote=jimberton here you al... (show quote)

Hi jimberton - thanks for coming back. I wonder where "Abby" went ! We're all entitled to an opinion and I've enjoyed this thread. For your own benefit I'd just like to point you to a couple of pro photographers who HAVE embraced the mirrorless system in addition to maintaining their DSLR gear - Thom Hogan (you know his website http://bythom.com/) who runs a sister site - http://www.sansmirror.com/ - and this wildlfe pro who wrote an excellent review of the Nikon v1 - http://naturalart.ca/artist/fieldtests/fieldtest_NikonV1.html - we're always learning. Have good week end !

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

farmerjim wrote:

After 54 year of photography I've moved on to M4/3, Olympus/ Panasonic only to find I'm classed as a snapper

You, too? I guess all that time I spent in the Dektol Dungeon was for naught. It's disheartening to be told that now that I reached this age, I am no longer taking photographs; I'm just snapping. What will I be doing in another five or ten years? Ah, I know. I think I saw a Kodak Pony at a yard sale.

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

I own a Sony Nex7 and I consider it to be on a par in capability (except perhaps sports action) with most of the other dslr's with cmos aps-c sensors and certainly image quality is as good as the nikons and probably better than the canons (not talking full frame here).
After years of using 35mm SLR's I find I am now able to produce an enlargement 540mm x 350mm (21.25 x 13.77in) and get no grain with what is essentially a half frame camera. Yes it is only a matter of time before Slr's go the way of the dinosaurs, technology will catchup and overtake the flappy mirror and they will become surplus to requirements

n3eg Loc: West coast USA

Here I go again. What I want to see is a micro four thirds camera the size of my old Pentax Auto 110 - but it will never happen. It could have happened years ago when LCD screens were limited to 2 inches - but now that the "standard" is 3 inches, the camera size has grown to where we will never see a truly "micro" anything. Micro four thirds will exist only as something which is shaped like a wide and tall point and shoot. Only exception is the OM-D, and at that price, might as well buy a DSLR.

RobertW Loc: Breezy Point, New York

The Oly OMDEm5, with the "moisture-resistant" kit zoom lens was absolutely great yesterday in the rain!!---And when it's dry, use the 12mmf2.0Zuiko and you'll see results that I can compare favorably to the results from all my Nikon Kit I had to give up a/c bulk and weight!!

RJM Loc: Cardiff, S Wales, UK

RobertW wrote:

The Oly OMDEm5, with the "moisture-resistant" kit zoom lens was absolutely great yesterday in the rain!!---And when it's dry, use the 12mmf2.0Zuiko and you'll see results that I can compare favorably to the results from all my Nikon Kit I had to give up a/c bulk and weight!!

You don't have to convince me, I'm already converted! lol

RJM Loc: Cardiff, S Wales, UK

n3eg wrote:

Here I go again. What I want to see is a micro fo... (show quote)

You mention the Olympus OM-D and 'at that price, might as well buy a DSLR'.

I don't know what you'd class as money to spend on a DSLR but I bought

The OM-D camera

12-50 kit lens (weather proof with electric zoom and macro feature)

Extra Grip/battery holder

32GB San Disk Ultimate Pro (95mb/sec) SD card

including delievery it was £1030

I wanted a weather proof 'DSLR' type camera that I could carry with me most of the time. That's what I got and it has surpassed my expectations.

I don't mind paying for kit in any of my hobbies as long as I'm getting use out of it..........and the OM-D provides that.

RobertW Loc: Breezy Point, New York

And as much as I love the EM5 now--I still keep and frequently use my old reliable film -RANGEFINDER-Leica M---AND all my Leica glass is adaptable to the EM5!!

RJM Loc: Cardiff, S Wales, UK

RobertW wrote:

And as much as I love the EM5 now--I still keep and frequently use my old reliable film -RANGEFINDER-Leica M---AND all my Leica glass is adaptable to the EM5!!

You lucky devil! :D