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Feb 22, 2013 09:51:48   #
Shutter Bugger
 
MT Shooter wrote:
jimberton wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
jimberton wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses into a warm, moist atmosphere and take off both caps?
Under NO circumstances would I do this as that actually will promote condensation to form on ALL your cold surfaces. That cold air is INSIDE your lens as well, and that's the last place I want condensation to form.
Thanks, but that's one tip I will NOT be following, or passing on to anyone. I would rather have my lenses last a bit longer, especially the newer ones with circuitry and motors inside them.
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses in... (show quote)



But I read it on the Internet! It must be true. :D
quote=MT Shooter Lets see, he is advising to brin... (show quote)


here comes my date. i met her on the internet...she's a french model....bonjour
quote=jerryc41 quote=MT Shooter Lets see, he is ... (show quote)

You, too? Every day I get notices about beautiful young women right here in town, and they all want to meet an "older man." I'm an older man. Maybe I'll reply. I wonder what the catch is with these ads. Of course there's money involved, but I wonder how it would play out.
quote=jimberton quote=jerryc41 quote=MT Shooter... (show quote)


hahahaha...i always told my wife that i was going to trade her in on 2 - 20 year olds. she told me i wasn't wired for 220!
quote=jerryc41 quote=jimberton quote=jerryc41 ... (show quote)


I think I would opt for 2-20 rather than 1-10. Can you say jailbait????
;-)
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We've got 2 40 down here :(

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Feb 22, 2013 09:51:56   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
Here's a good overview, bringing up a few other possible problems and their solutions: http://www.ritzcamera.com/static/articles/tips/winter-photo.html

My approach is NOT to do what is recommended here, except for shoots of more than an hour. Shorter times, I just put the end caps on, place the camera in its camera bag (after taking out the card to download the new goodies--the FEW new goodies), and stow the bag. No problems with consensation, mold, or circuitry malfunction in 40 years. I live in the Chicago area, so the cold challenges are not as extreme as some of you face.

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Feb 22, 2013 09:56:56   #
judy 2011 Loc: Northern Utah
 
jerryc41 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses into a warm, moist atmosphere and take off both caps?
Under NO circumstances would I do this as that actually will promote condensation to form on ALL your cold surfaces. That cold air is INSIDE your lens as well, and that's the last place I want condensation to form.
Thanks, but that's one tip I will NOT be following, or passing on to anyone. I would rather have my lenses last a bit longer, especially the newer ones with circuitry and motors inside them.
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses in... (show quote)

But I read it on the Internet! It must be true. :D
quote=MT Shooter Lets see, he is advising to brin... (show quote)


Hahaha!!!

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Feb 22, 2013 09:58:11   #
Barb Loc: ALASKA
 
MT Shooter .. you are RIGHT .. sorry I missed putting that in my comments! :thumbup:

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Feb 22, 2013 10:01:50   #
Macbadger Loc: Illinois
 
Does anyone know what the camera/lens manufacturers suggest about this?

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Feb 22, 2013 10:03:35   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Shutter Bugger wrote:
Ore-D wrote:
I have the opposite problem. Here in southeast Texas taking the camera and lens from an air conditioned home outside into a very hot and humid environment is a problem.


:thumbup:

I reckon you've nailed it Ore-D
Hot humid places are worse for camera equipment
moisturewise than very cold places by a long chalk.

Water vapour (humidity) in hot air will readily condense
on a cold lens, in fact there are places where water could
literally be running off a cold object like a camera taken out of
a cool air conditioned place (or a beer can taken out
of the fridge)
and into a hot humid environment.

Dry air is your gears friend.

I reckon (correct me if I'm wrong) in very cold climates air is dry as much water vapour may be frozen out of the air. Those of you with snow on the roof who have rushed off to the weather page to check your humidity, dont confuse "relative'' humidity with the amount of water vapour in the air.

So if the air is dry in your warm home removing the lens
caps to "thaw" your equipment would not hurt.

If your heating system is heating cold air drawn from
outside, drying the air further it, I reckon it would be a
great idea to remove the caps from a lens to "thaw it".

Would anyone reading this like to explain the difference
between humidity and relative humidity?

Very dry air can be a problem for humans so some space heaters have a facility for "humidifying". Perhaps MTs home or studio has one of these, or a steamy laundry or something else that is creating humidity inside when it is below
freezing outside... MT?
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Humidity is a measure of the actual amount of water in the air, such as 0.1 grams per cubic meter. Relative humidity is a percentage of the maximum amount of water the air can hold at the current temperature and is expressed as a percentage. At any given temperature there is a maximum amount of water the air can hold before it becomes saturated and it starts to rain, ie 100%. Warm air can hold more water than cold air. As warm air is cooled the amount of water it can hold goes down and the relative humidity goes up until it reaches the 'dew point', then it rains. When you bring a cold camera into a warm room the air immediately adjacent to the camera is cooled rapidly to the 'dew point' or 100 humidity, and the water in the air 'rains' or condenses on the camera. It's exactly the same phenomenon as taking a cold can of beer outside on a warm summer day. Problem with a camera is that some of that warm air can get inside the camera and condense on the inside. The best solution is to put the camera into a plastic bag while outside, bring it in and wait until it reaches the same temperature as the interior air.

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Feb 22, 2013 10:39:04   #
Audi57 Loc: Bedford England.
 
Well said dlwhawali I thought that this would be pretty well common sense,I have always done exactly that and keep several gell packs in my camera bag too.

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Feb 22, 2013 10:48:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MT Shooter wrote:
connievloutely wrote:
Since the cold air has little moisture content (low humidity,

I would put the cold equipment in a plastic bag, seal the bag then bring the items indoors.

A cool location would be best. Any condensation would form on the outside of the plastic bag.


Anyone who is interested in considering the plastic bag solution needs to be aware that they must squeeze as much of the air as possible out of that bag when sealing it outside so as to minimize the possibility of condensation forming inside the bag as well as that air warms up faster than the metal or plastic camera components.
quote=connievloutely Since the cold air has littl... (show quote)

Now there's an idea for a new photo accessory: a portable, battery-powered vacuum pump that will work with plastic bags of various sizes. You sell the starter kit and continue to sell replacement bags of different sizes. It would be good for longterm storage of your equipment inside the house, too. There are lots of possibilities for names: Air Sucker, VacuCam, Suck It Out, or, for the improved model - SuxMor.

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Feb 22, 2013 10:50:06   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Audi57 wrote:
Well said dlwhawali I thought that this would be pretty well common sense,I have always done exactly that and keep several gell packs in my camera bag too.

I keep those things whenever I get them with a package. They come in various sizes and shapes.

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Feb 22, 2013 10:59:23   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
When coming in from the cold I always completely disassemble all of my lenses even exposing the drive motors. Then I wipe down all of the blades with a wash cloth to make sure no water collects on them. I do the same with my camera. I leave the camera facing up overnight so that any moisture that collects on the sensor goes straight up into the air. Just to make sure all is well, I then blast everything with canned air before re-assembly.

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Feb 22, 2013 11:03:24   #
TheDoctor Loc: NoVa
 
jerryc41 wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
connievloutely wrote:
Since the cold air has little moisture content (low humidity,

I would put the cold equipment in a plastic bag, seal the bag then bring the items indoors.

A cool location would be best. Any condensation would form on the outside of the plastic bag.


Anyone who is interested in considering the plastic bag solution needs to be aware that they must squeeze as much of the air as possible out of that bag when sealing it outside so as to minimize the possibility of condensation forming inside the bag as well as that air warms up faster than the metal or plastic camera components.
quote=connievloutely Since the cold air has littl... (show quote)

Now there's an idea for a new photo accessory: a portable, battery-powered vacuum pump that will work with plastic bags of various sizes. You sell the starter kit and continue to sell replacement bags of different sizes. It would be good for longterm storage of your equipment inside the house, too. There are lots of possibilities for names: Air Sucker, VacuCam, Suck It Out, or, for the improved model - SuxMor.
quote=MT Shooter quote=connievloutely Since the ... (show quote)


I think you're too late. Reynolds makes a zip-lock Baggie with a little valve area in it and a battery op vac pump thingy. Its for food, but all you need is the right-sized Baggie and there you go.

Be careful, next thing you know, you'll be using them bags you hook up to the vacuum cleaner, the ones for bedspreads and such.

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Feb 22, 2013 11:22:00   #
Straightshooter Loc: Edmonton AB
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses into a warm, moist atmosphere and take off both caps?
Under NO circumstances would I do this as that actually will promote condensation to form on ALL your cold surfaces. That cold air is INSIDE your lens as well, and that's the last place I want condensation to form.
Thanks, but that's one tip I will NOT be following, or passing on to anyone. I would rather have my lenses last a bit longer, especially the newer ones with circuitry and motors inside them.
Lets see, he is advising to bring frozen lenses in... (show quote)

I totally agree with MT whoever wrote that must be in lens repair business

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Feb 22, 2013 11:36:50   #
Straightshooter Loc: Edmonton AB
 
dwburns wrote:
" Before going from cold to hot, wrap your camera and lens in a ziplock bag or trashbag. You can also use a more expensive dive bag just for this purpose. Once you’re in the warmer environment, let the camera acclimate for about twenty minutes before opening the bag. Any condensation will then build up on the bag instead of your camera." from The science of lens condensation

This is to short of a time period dwburns, it takes at least 4 hrs or longer before the inside of your camera is the same temparture that is sealed in a plastic bag

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Feb 22, 2013 11:37:03   #
Erik_H Loc: Denham Springs, Louisiana
 
tainkc wrote:
When coming in from the cold I always completely disassemble all of my lenses even exposing the drive motors. Then I wipe down all of the blades with a wash cloth to make sure no water collects on them. I do the same with my camera. I leave the camera facing up overnight so that any moisture that collects on the sensor goes straight up into the air. Just to make sure all is well, I then blast everything with canned air before re-assembly.


WAY too funny!!! However, you should hold the canned air upside-down when you give it the final (and I do mean final) blast.

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Feb 22, 2013 11:39:01   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
tainkc wrote:
When coming in from the cold I always completely disassemble all of my lenses even exposing the drive motors. Then I wipe down all of the blades with a wash cloth to make sure no water collects on them. I do the same with my camera. I leave the camera facing up overnight so that any moisture that collects on the sensor goes straight up into the air. Just to make sure all is well, I then blast everything with canned air before re-assembly.


And don't forget the extra fine 000 steel wool for those stubborn dust spots!

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