Ronbo
Loc: Okanagan falls BC. Canada
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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Oh man. You just insulted a whole lot of people with your (opinion). You have obviously not seen images from a quality mirrorless system...
Ronbo wrote:
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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Oh man. You just insulted a whole lot of people with your (opinion). You have obviously not seen images from a quality mirrorless system...
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Well insults could be but hey... to me a snapper is a snapper and the folks who actually want to learn something about photography and take the time and effort to do it... school or no school are not snappers... simple as that.
Nothing wrong with snappers mind you but the camera makers would have you believe that these are serious cameras... oh please. No view finder, a pocket to that just happens to change lenses and then charge those prices for them? - please.
Some are not just a ploy. I would really love to have a digital rangefinder camera as a photojournalist. They are smaller and less conspicuous with is what was great about them to start with.
jimmya wrote:
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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Are the Fuji X series (Pro1, XE1, X100] pocket toys?
The Olympus OM‑D? It's a beauty. Really fast auto focus. Ask RJM.
Sony Nex is pushing the bar toward full frame. If you even need it.
If you prefer or need a optical thru the lens viewfinder so be it. Otherwise ??
There probably is a higher percentage of 'snappers' with Nikon and Canon DSLRs hanging from their necks than any other companies.
You might be surprised who are using these cameras.
Even the term DSLR is outdated. Was there ever a DTLR?
jimmya wrote:
Ronbo wrote:
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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Oh man. You just insulted a whole lot of people with your (opinion). You have obviously not seen images from a quality mirrorless system...
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Well insults could be but hey... to me a snapper is a snapper and the folks who actually want to learn something about photography and take the time and effort to do it... school or no school are not snappers... simple as that.
Nothing wrong with snappers mind you but the camera makers would have you believe that these are serious cameras... oh please. No view finder, a pocket to that just happens to change lenses and then charge those prices for them? - please.
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Hi jimmya - I see you're still of the same opinion when last I tried to point you towards this "snapper" -
http://www.sansmirror.com/ - oh, and just in case you're unaware of the website operator, look here -
http://bythom.com/ - at the same guy, a Nikon pro photographer (one of yours) of many, many years experience, highly regarded in the Nikon world, and author of some of the best Nikon camera guides and reviews in existence, coupled with extensive, exhaustive and highly informative lens reviews. Same guy who has just ditched his Nikon D7000 (not his pro gear) for the "mirrorless" Olympus OM-D EM-5. That your "happy snapper"? Time for you to "get real" my friend !
steve_icbinb wrote:
craggycrossers wrote:
Hi Abby - no I don't think the DSLR will soon be a thing of the past, certainly for pros, but it's going to find its market share eroded by the now high-quality mirrorless cameras appearing from the likes of Olympus, Panansonic and, to a lesser extent, Sony and Fuji. Nikon entered the game over a year ago and Canon is just sticking its toe in the water. This new "system" is gaining ground more in Europe and Asia than the USA at present, with Olympus and Panasonic leading the charge with their "micro 4/3" (as opposed to 4/3).
Nikon "shot itself in the foot" by massively over-pricing its first "top-of-the-range" camera, the Nikon 1 V1, and has suffered world-wide because of it. They have recently hugely discounted the V1 in particular, a camera which was neither consumer nor enthusiast, and consequently suffered from much reduced sales in comparison to its actual quality. It's also been superceded lately by the much improved V2. Everyone's got too much old stock and trying to get rid of it. The V1 with its 10-30mm lens (crop factor of 2.7) is actually a terrific purchase at present for anyone interested in getting into the Nikon 1 system. Lenses are becoming more prevalent and are of good quality. There's also an adapter (the FT-1) for mounting Nikkor AF-S lenses - terrific for turning an 85mm lens into a 230mm, or a 200mm into a 540mm.
For more info on the "mirrorless" systems as a whole take a look at Thom Hogan's website which has a plethora of info on "all things mirrorless" - he's a US citizen and highly respected pro photographer who has produced many reviews and guides for "things Nikon". "Sansmirror" is the sister site to his Nikon site. He'll not give up on his Full Frame DSLR's, but has already ditched his DX Nikon (D7000) and lenses for the Olympus OM-D EM-5. Read all about it here -
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Just jumped in this murky pool - was shown a V1 at the Outdoor Show a couple of weeks ago. i was very impressed - esp. when the guy said it was only £280. Last week i saw it on Amazon @ £230. done deal. i also bought the FT-1, but have yet to try this. I've only used the V1 on Auto on saturday, appears to be very good (for my standard ie beginner).
It's going to be a great travel companion (esp. on the m/cycle). Gripe? batteries! i have three Nikons now, and all have different batteries...
thankyou for the site tip - looks good..
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Hey Steve - this pool's not as murky as you think! Congrats on your purchase. Of course they're not DSLR's. They're light- weight and easily transportable. And you can move from "auto" to the more creative modes as and when you wish. Don't wanna make you feel bad but, fingers crossed, I'm gonna get a new V1 with 10-30mm very soon for £180. But its use will be very much the same as yours. I'm planning on getting the 18.5mm f1.8 and the FT-1 adapter so's I can use my Nikon lenses, especially over 85mm (becomes a 230mm) and 70-200 which becomes a 540mm at the long end, without the weight ! Enjoy ! "Happy Snappers" indeed !!
rebride wrote:
jimmya wrote:
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
br br In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a plo... (
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Are the Fuji X series (Pro1, XE1, X100] pocket toys?
The Olympus OM‑D? It's a beauty. Really fast auto focus. Ask RJM.
Sony Nex is pushing the bar toward full frame. If you even need it.
If you prefer or need a optical thru the lens viewfinder so be it. Otherwise ??
There probably is a higher percentage of 'snappers' with Nikon and Canon DSLRs hanging from their necks than any other companies.
You might be surprised who are using these cameras.
Even the term DSLR is outdated. Was there ever a DTLR?
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Oh I agree lots of snappers can afford high end dslr cameras but they're still snappers. They just happen to believe all the marketing hype that tells them spend more money, get better photos - not true and I think you know that.
The camera doesn't make the photographer, it's the other way around.
Just because technology is moving forward, all with the idea of making more money for the major companies, then people will keep being duped into believing the "spend more - get more" - still not true.
Besides the argument is mute. Only serious photographers care that much about their gear anyhow. The kids I read all believe the same,
"spend more - get more" because that's all they've heard.
Only us serious guys (certainly not the best or even close to it) but serious, bother to learn the craft beyond point and shoot.
Darkroom317 wrote:
Some are not just a ploy. I would really love to have a digital rangefinder camera as a photojournalist. They are smaller and less conspicuous with is what was great about them to start with.
No kidding! People can react differently based on what kind of camera is pointed at them...or if they don't see them at all.
A while back, a friend at work bought a Sony Nex. And yes, it's certainly physically more compact than my Nikons. However, I have pretty good size hands and while certainly usable, it was a bit too small for me to handle comfortably. I didn't use it extensively, but I did use it enough that it reminded me of my old Fuji 5100 bridge camera. Just to small to feel comfortable. Then again, maybe with time I'd get used to it, I can't say.
What's interesting is that another gal has a Canon, which is physically larger than the Nikon, yet the placement of the shutter button puts a kink in my finger. Maybe with time that wouldn't bother me or then again, maybe I'd get tired of it in a hurry.
As for the mirrorless technology, the Sony certainly had a good sharp display, but I could tell it wasn't the real thing. That fact is probably unimportant, but it's much like the same reason I don't like movies shot on video and then displayed on a high definition TV. It just doesn't "look right". But maybe that's the old timer in me talking.
Probably what's more important than the camera technology, brand name, etc is if the camera feels comfortable when using. Kind of like a great pair of those expensive Italian shoes. If they hurt your feet when you wear them, then it doesn't matter how expensive they are. If you want your feet to hurt, you could buy a cheap pair of Chinese shoes and get the same results for less money.
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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One advantage of the 'mirror less' cameras is that the lens can be closer to the sensor and this means it can use physically smaller and lighter lens. There have been several recent patents for lens for these cameras.
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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A wrong opinion is still that... Just wrong.
You could not be wronger, but I trust in your ability to prove to us in your next couple of posts that you surely can.
Just an opinion.
RJM
Loc: Cardiff, S Wales, UK
Many mirror less cameras now have a view finder built in.
You're saying you need a big camera to look the part?!
Ronbo
Loc: Okanagan falls BC. Canada
RJM wrote:
Many mirror less cameras now have a view finder built in.
You're saying you need a big camera to look the part?!
Sure seems that way. LOFL...
No your really don't need a big camera to look the part for many types of photography. Gary Wingrand, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Capa and Alfred Eisenstaedt all used small cameras. They popularized the Leica and 35mm film. Because of the size they could get into situatuions that photographers with 4x5 press cameras. Sure press cameras are impressive but they can also be limiting. Form follows function therefore the cameras form relates to its purpose. You do no shoot sports with a view camera.
saichiez wrote:
jimmya wrote:
abby wrote:
So will the DSLR cameras soon be a thing of the past?
I was looking at the B & H photo web site at there are lots of Nikon mirror less cameras listed - some for over $1000.00.
Some are quite small and look like a point and shoot camera.
Any thoughts?
In my opinion mirrorless cameras are a ploy to reach that group of "snappers" who have no interest in learning anything serious about photography but want to "brag" about how they can change lenses and look cool doing it. This group, I believe, is where the "snappers" money is and that's what the majors (Canon and Nikon) are betting on.
Snappers are those who only want to hold the camera 2-feet from their face and don't care how really stupid they look doing it. Mirrorless cameras then are way over rated and way over priced pocket toys, without view finders that happen to change lenses.
I believe that us folks who are serious about photography, be it hobby, semi-pro or professional wouldn't be caught using such a pocket toy on a professional job. If you're going to be a professional, use a pro camera.
If you're going to be a snapper then hey, a pocket toy works just fine.
Point is the majors are just trying another way to market products that they think might hit a nerve of a certain group - the "snappers".
Just an opinion.
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A wrong opinion is still that... Just wrong.
You could not be wronger, but I trust in your ability to prove to us in your next couple of posts that you surely can.
Just an opinion.
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That's fine but honestly, just like you, I don't have to prove anything because it's just an opinion. nuff said
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