I finally had the time to do a real test with a D800E and this is what I found. The camera is an absolute beast. The resolution capability and definition is outstanding. The camera performs to my every expectation with several caveats. This camera demands the absolute best shooting technique. This is not a casual play toy, this is a very serious camera. Hand holding this camera does not do it justice. The sensor is so sensitive that if the camera is not absolutely still there is a very good chance that your images will not be as sharp as the camera is capable of creating. I know that there are people here that will react to these statements and take me to task about their hand holding capabilities but it is a fact of shooting with this camera that hand holding with this camera will not give optimal results. In order to get the results that I expected this camera was capable of I had to mount the camera on a sturdy tripod, use the live view setting because that gives me a mirror up setting and I actually had to use a cable release. Pressing the shutter button with your finger will probably be ok but I wanted to do everything as required. One very important thing that I found is the sensor is so sensitive that the slightest mistake shows up and the result is an unsharp image. The most important thing that I discovered is that the F setting for the lens is extremely important. I did some tests and there is a considerable loss of sharpness when you use an F stop beyond F 8. The camera is so sensitive that diffraction sets in at F11 and gets really bad at F16. There is a considerable amount of sharpness loss even at F 11. I was using a D700 before I bought this camera and I never had these extreme problems because the camera was not capable of recording the subtle changes caused by diffraction the way the D800E can. I did considerable testing and the results were the same every time. So here is a sample taken with the camera mounted on a Gitzo tripod with a heavy Cambo CB5 ball head, live view setting and a cable release and the F setting of F8. I dont take pictures of birds and dogs and horses. I am a very serious photographer and this camera is definitely a serious camera.
You're just baiting us aren't you ? I'll start.. Hogwash.. :D
silver wrote:
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D800E and this is what I found. The camera is an absolute beast. The resolution capability and definition is outstanding. The camera performs to my every expectation with several caveats. This camera demands the absolute best shooting technique. This is not a casual play toy, this is a very serious camera. Hand holding this camera does not do it justice. The sensor is so sensitive that if the camera is not absolutely still there is a very good chance that your images will not be as sharp as the camera is capable of creating. I know that there are people here that will react to these statements and take me to task about their hand holding capabilities but it is a fact of shooting with this camera that hand holding with this camera will not give optimal results. In order to get the results that I expected this camera was capable of I had to mount the camera on a sturdy tripod, use the live view setting because that gives me a mirror up setting and I actually had to use a cable release. Pressing the shutter button with your finger will probably be ok but I wanted to do everything as required. One very important thing that I found is the sensor is so sensitive that the slightest mistake shows up and the result is an unsharp image. The most important thing that I discovered is that the F setting for the lens is extremely important. I did some tests and there is a considerable loss of sharpness when you use an F stop beyond F 8. The camera is so sensitive that diffraction sets in at F11 and gets really bad at F16. There is a considerable amount of sharpness loss even at F 11. I was using a D700 before I bought this camera and I never had these extreme problems because the camera was not capable of recording the subtle changes caused by diffraction the way the D800E can. I did considerable testing and the results were the same every time. So here is a sample taken with the camera mounted on a Gitzo tripod with a heavy Cambo CB5 ball head, live view setting and a cable release and the F setting of F8. I dont take pictures of birds and dogs and horses. I am a very serious photographer and this camera is definitely a serious camera.
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So to sum it up anyone that does not shoot what you do is not a serious photographer. You are the most arrogant pompous individual on this forum you always thing that your way is the only way. I have looked at your so called serious photography and I can honestly say that there are some not so serious photographers on here that I would trust their opinion much more than yours because you impress me very little.
Funny, I hand hold mine all the time and have had no issues. I also shoot regularly at F16 to F22 without loss of resolution at all. Its all in the lens and how you handle the camera I guess.
MT Shooter wrote:
Funny, I hand hold mine all the time and have had no issues. I also shoot regularly at F16 to F22 without loss of resolution at all. Its all in the lens and how you handle the camera I guess.
But you are not a serious photographer MT you shoot birds and animals not the serious things that Lord Silver shoots.
silver wrote:
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D800E and this is what I found. The camera is an absolute beast. The resolution capability and definition is outstanding. The camera performs to my every expectation with several caveats. This camera demands the absolute best shooting technique. This is not a casual play toy, this is a very serious camera. Hand holding this camera does not do it justice. The sensor is so sensitive that if the camera is not absolutely still there is a very good chance that your images will not be as sharp as the camera is capable of creating. I know that there are people here that will react to these statements and take me to task about their hand holding capabilities but it is a fact of shooting with this camera that hand holding with this camera will not give optimal results. In order to get the results that I expected this camera was capable of I had to mount the camera on a sturdy tripod, use the live view setting because that gives me a mirror up setting and I actually had to use a cable release. Pressing the shutter button with your finger will probably be ok but I wanted to do everything as required. One very important thing that I found is the sensor is so sensitive that the slightest mistake shows up and the result is an unsharp image. The most important thing that I discovered is that the F setting for the lens is extremely important. I did some tests and there is a considerable loss of sharpness when you use an F stop beyond F 8. The camera is so sensitive that diffraction sets in at F11 and gets really bad at F16. There is a considerable amount of sharpness loss even at F 11. I was using a D700 before I bought this camera and I never had these extreme problems because the camera was not capable of recording the subtle changes caused by diffraction the way the D800E can. I did considerable testing and the results were the same every time. So here is a sample taken with the camera mounted on a Gitzo tripod with a heavy Cambo CB5 ball head, live view setting and a cable release and the F setting of F8. I dont take pictures of birds and dogs and horses. I am a very serious photographer and this camera is definitely a serious camera.
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D8... (
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As I expected the response to my post is attacking me without even trying to understand or comprehend what I am talking about. The recognized "experts " here are so set in there ways that they cant understand my meaning. Everything I said is true in regards to the capability of the camera. Sure you can hand hold this camera and get good results, BUT, the results that you will achieve will not be what this camera is capable of. If you go on the Nikon site, which I am sure all of you have done, you will see the images that Nikon has to show what the camera can do. One of the images is of an interior of a building and in the description they say that the "technique that you use with this camera is important in order to achieve the utmost quality". Have any of you ever taken the time to blow up one of your hand held images to see exactly how sharp they really are? I am sure that your egos dont allow you to admit that your images are not quite as sharp as you think that they are. I am only making a comment about the capability of these cameras and in order to achieve the absolute highest quality you really have to use the best technique. In my post I said that "hand holding this camera will not do it justice". Whats wrong with that statement? You so called experts have this need to attack without questioning and its really sad. There is nothing in my post that is not true and I just dont understand why you "experts" are so insulted by my saying so. I am not as perfect as you all are, I, at least strive to find out what the capability of my equipment really is beyond cooing over my images and defending how I use it. I would put one of my images shot on a tripod with mirror up and cable release against any hand held image that you could shoot of the same subject. One last thing . Have any of you ever, and I mean ever done a test to see exactly where diffraction comes into play. I really dont think so. If you want, I can do a test and show you the results of diffraction beyond F8 with the D800E. Have you ever put your camera on a tripod and shot something using mirror up and a cable release and tried the different F stops past F8? I really dont think so. One of the problems with the D800E is that the camera is so capable that it shows these problems and if you would take the time to do some testing instead of cooing over your wonderful images you would see that what I am saying is true. Just to show you where I am coming from, I will over the next week or so do a test for you because I really dont think that any of your egos would allow you to honestly do this so I will do it for you.
silver wrote:
silver wrote:
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D800E and this is what I found. The camera is an absolute beast. The resolution capability and definition is outstanding. The camera performs to my every expectation with several caveats. This camera demands the absolute best shooting technique. This is not a casual play toy, this is a very serious camera. Hand holding this camera does not do it justice. The sensor is so sensitive that if the camera is not absolutely still there is a very good chance that your images will not be as sharp as the camera is capable of creating. I know that there are people here that will react to these statements and take me to task about their hand holding capabilities but it is a fact of shooting with this camera that hand holding with this camera will not give optimal results. In order to get the results that I expected this camera was capable of I had to mount the camera on a sturdy tripod, use the live view setting because that gives me a mirror up setting and I actually had to use a cable release. Pressing the shutter button with your finger will probably be ok but I wanted to do everything as required. One very important thing that I found is the sensor is so sensitive that the slightest mistake shows up and the result is an unsharp image. The most important thing that I discovered is that the F setting for the lens is extremely important. I did some tests and there is a considerable loss of sharpness when you use an F stop beyond F 8. The camera is so sensitive that diffraction sets in at F11 and gets really bad at F16. There is a considerable amount of sharpness loss even at F 11. I was using a D700 before I bought this camera and I never had these extreme problems because the camera was not capable of recording the subtle changes caused by diffraction the way the D800E can. I did considerable testing and the results were the same every time. So here is a sample taken with the camera mounted on a Gitzo tripod with a heavy Cambo CB5 ball head, live view setting and a cable release and the F setting of F8. I dont take pictures of birds and dogs and horses. I am a very serious photographer and this camera is definitely a serious camera.
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D8... (
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As I expected the response to my post is attacking me without even trying to understand or comprehend what I am talking about. The recognized "experts " here are so set in there ways that they cant understand my meaning. Everything I said is true in regards to the capability of the camera. Sure you can hand hold this camera and get good results, BUT, the results that you will achieve will not be what this camera is capable of. If you go on the Nikon site, which I am sure all of you have done, you will see the images that Nikon has to show what the camera can do. One of the images is of an interior of a building and in the description they say that the "technique that you use with this camera is important in order to achieve the utmost quality". Have any of you ever taken the time to blow up one of your hand held images to see exactly how sharp they really are? I am sure that your egos dont allow you to admit that your images are not quite as sharp as you think that they are. I am only making a comment about the capability of these cameras and in order to achieve the absolute highest quality you really have to use the best technique. In my post I said that "hand holding this camera will not do it justice". Whats wrong with that statement? You so called experts have this need to attack without questioning and its really sad. There is nothing in my post that is not true and I just dont understand why you "experts" are so insulted by my saying so. I am not as perfect as you all are, I, at least strive to find out what the capability of my equipment really is beyond cooing over my images and defending how I use it. I would put one of my images shot on a tripod with mirror up and cable release against any hand held image that you could shoot of the same subject. One last thing . Have any of you ever, and I mean ever done a test to see exactly where diffraction comes into play. I really dont think so. If you want, I can do a test and show you the results of diffraction beyond F8 with the D800E. Have you ever put your camera on a tripod and shot something using mirror up and a cable release and tried the different F stops past F8? I really dont think so. One of the problems with the D800E is that the camera is so capable that it shows these problems and if you would take the time to do some testing instead of cooing over your wonderful images you would see that what I am saying is true. Just to show you where I am coming from, I will over the next week or so do a test for you because I really dont think that any of your egos would allow you to honestly do this so I will do it for you.
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And again you come off as a pompous ass claiming you are the expert and no one else can do what you do or has done what you have done. I am glad that you are happy using a tripod for everything but it is not practical or the best way to take all photos. A extremely sharp photo of a uninteresting subject is still a uninteresting photo. A lot of times there are acceptable losses the minute loss due to diffraction is sometimes acceptable to get the depth of field that the photographer wants not what you want but what the photographer wants. Yes your statements are true you will always get a better photo if you use a tripod and mirror up but is not practical at all times and is not the preferred method of most. The problem with your post is how you always have to put some stupid remark in them like that you are a serious photographer and the ones that shoot birds and other things that you don't are not serious you are so full of yourself that you do not realize there are many photographers on here that IMHO do a much better job than you do and they do not try to come off like they are the King of Photography.
The best technique to take one type photo is not always the best technique to take all photos tripod and mirror up might be fine for landscape but not for shooting moving objects.
hangman45 wrote:
silver wrote:
silver wrote:
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D800E and this is what I found. The camera is an absolute beast. The resolution capability and definition is outstanding. The camera performs to my every expectation with several caveats. This camera demands the absolute best shooting technique. This is not a casual play toy, this is a very serious camera. Hand holding this camera does not do it justice. The sensor is so sensitive that if the camera is not absolutely still there is a very good chance that your images will not be as sharp as the camera is capable of creating. I know that there are people here that will react to these statements and take me to task about their hand holding capabilities but it is a fact of shooting with this camera that hand holding with this camera will not give optimal results. In order to get the results that I expected this camera was capable of I had to mount the camera on a sturdy tripod, use the live view setting because that gives me a mirror up setting and I actually had to use a cable release. Pressing the shutter button with your finger will probably be ok but I wanted to do everything as required. One very important thing that I found is the sensor is so sensitive that the slightest mistake shows up and the result is an unsharp image. The most important thing that I discovered is that the F setting for the lens is extremely important. I did some tests and there is a considerable loss of sharpness when you use an F stop beyond F 8. The camera is so sensitive that diffraction sets in at F11 and gets really bad at F16. There is a considerable amount of sharpness loss even at F 11. I was using a D700 before I bought this camera and I never had these extreme problems because the camera was not capable of recording the subtle changes caused by diffraction the way the D800E can. I did considerable testing and the results were the same every time. So here is a sample taken with the camera mounted on a Gitzo tripod with a heavy Cambo CB5 ball head, live view setting and a cable release and the F setting of F8. I dont take pictures of birds and dogs and horses. I am a very serious photographer and this camera is definitely a serious camera.
I finally had the time to do a real test with a D8... (
show quote)
As I expected the response to my post is attacking me without even trying to understand or comprehend what I am talking about. The recognized "experts " here are so set in there ways that they cant understand my meaning. Everything I said is true in regards to the capability of the camera. Sure you can hand hold this camera and get good results, BUT, the results that you will achieve will not be what this camera is capable of. If you go on the Nikon site, which I am sure all of you have done, you will see the images that Nikon has to show what the camera can do. One of the images is of an interior of a building and in the description they say that the "technique that you use with this camera is important in order to achieve the utmost quality". Have any of you ever taken the time to blow up one of your hand held images to see exactly how sharp they really are? I am sure that your egos dont allow you to admit that your images are not quite as sharp as you think that they are. I am only making a comment about the capability of these cameras and in order to achieve the absolute highest quality you really have to use the best technique. In my post I said that "hand holding this camera will not do it justice". Whats wrong with that statement? You so called experts have this need to attack without questioning and its really sad. There is nothing in my post that is not true and I just dont understand why you "experts" are so insulted by my saying so. I am not as perfect as you all are, I, at least strive to find out what the capability of my equipment really is beyond cooing over my images and defending how I use it. I would put one of my images shot on a tripod with mirror up and cable release against any hand held image that you could shoot of the same subject. One last thing . Have any of you ever, and I mean ever done a test to see exactly where diffraction comes into play. I really dont think so. If you want, I can do a test and show you the results of diffraction beyond F8 with the D800E. Have you ever put your camera on a tripod and shot something using mirror up and a cable release and tried the different F stops past F8? I really dont think so. One of the problems with the D800E is that the camera is so capable that it shows these problems and if you would take the time to do some testing instead of cooing over your wonderful images you would see that what I am saying is true. Just to show you where I am coming from, I will over the next week or so do a test for you because I really dont think that any of your egos would allow you to honestly do this so I will do it for you.
quote=silver I finally had the time to do a real ... (
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And again you come off as a pompous ass claiming you are the expert and no one else can do what you do or has done what you have done. I am glad that you are happy using a tripod for everything but it is not practical or the best way to take all photos. A extremely sharp photo of a uninteresting subject is still a uninteresting photo. A lot of times there are acceptable losses the minute loss due to diffraction is sometimes acceptable to get the depth of field that the photographer wants not what you want but what the photographer wants. Yes your statements are true you will always get a better photo if you use a tripod and mirror up but is not practical at all times and is not the preferred method of most. The problem with your post is how you always have to put some stupid remark in them like that you are a serious photographer and the ones that shoot birds and other things that you don't are not serious you are so full of yourself that you do not realize there are many photographers on here that IMHO do a much better job than you do and they do not try to come off like they are the King of Photography.
The best technique to take one type photo is not always the best technique to take all photos tripod and mirror up might be fine for landscape but not for shooting moving objects.
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Once again your vitriolic response shows me that you completely do not understand my post. You really have a problem. All I said was that the D800e camera performs at its optimum under certain conditions, thats all. If you are so stupid to think that I have another meaning you really are blind. Of course it is not possible to use cameras under really tight conditions all the time, what kind of idiotic statement is that. Your ego is showing and it is pathetic. I also mentioned that there is a drop in sharpness when you go beyond F8 and that is a true statement so what is your problem with this statement. All I am doing is stating true facts and you in all of your glory are accusing me of being superior and a bad photographer. How silly and juvenile. As I said I expected that there would people like you responding to me and I am not disappointed that way. Maybe you should look in the mirror and see what a pompous ass really is. By the way, anybody can do what I do, its not difficult. All you need is an inquisitive mind and a desire to find out certain facts. To prove my point I will soon post some images to show how much of a loss of sharpness there is due to diffraction but Im sure that it will make no difference to you even tho the proof will be right in front of your eyes. One last thing. There is a saying, sticks and stones will hurt my bones etc,etc etc. This is a child's rhyme and that seems to be your level. By the way the correct way to say this is -An extremely sharp photo of an uninteresting subject is still an uninteresting photo. Learn correct English please.
zneb240
Loc: New South Wales - Australia
Stay calm... it's a joke!! :roll:
Hey Maude..... pass me the tripod!!
sinatraman
Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
can we please not personally insult each other? I believe the op was stating for OPTIMUM performance a tripod is necessary to get the best out of the camera. That is not necessarily wrong. However, I also agree with MT that you can get excellent results without a tripod. Also how sharp you want your photos is a personal choice. I feel that this demand that a photo be sharp down to the subatomic particles is a sign of OCD, but that's me personally. If your photo can be used to cut diamonds then its too sharp!
We can agree to disagree without throwing out words like arrogant or pompous which have no place here unless we are talking about obama.
In that Movie, Grumpy old men", weren't they using Nikons? Sorry, I just had to throw that in there.
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