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Jan 28, 2013 15:19:54   #
Jonboy Loc: Lost in Essex
 
Thanks All, comments all noted, one good thing is the trip is organised by a British Pro photographer who runs this trip every year and knows his way around the area (me that doesn't), now looking very much forward to it, I'll post some pictures once I get back.

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Jan 28, 2013 18:18:03   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
Jonboy wrote:
Thanks All, comments all noted, one good thing is the trip is organised by a British Pro photographer who runs this trip every year and knows his way around the area (me that doesn't), now looking very much forward to it, I'll post some pictures once I get back.


have a great time--I am making my 3rd trip to Utah the first of April and am very excited about it

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Jan 28, 2013 18:39:49   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?

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Jan 28, 2013 18:54:15   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?
quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have the lenses p... (show quote)


While you can emulate some of the effects in post, the final result does not compare to what the didydium glass filter will accomplish. Any more than post processing can give you the same effect that a circular polarizer can give you on reflections, or a true ND effect on moving water. Post processing is very nice, but its still limited to AFTER the shot adjustments. Filters will be around as long as lenses are in use. These 3 filters, as well as a GOOD UV filter used in its proper context are the 4 filters that PP has yet to effectively emulate.

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Jan 28, 2013 18:55:54   #
mdorn Loc: Portland, OR
 
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?
quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have the lenses p... (show quote)


While you can emulate some of the effects in post, the final result does not compare to what the didydium glass filter will accomplish. Any more than post processing can give you the same effect that a circular polarizer can give you on reflections, or a true ND effect on moving water. Post processing is very nice, but its still limited to AFTER the shot adjustments. Filters will be around as long as lenses are in use. These 3 filters, as well as a GOOD UV filter used in its proper context are the 4 filters that PP has yet to effectively emulate.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have... (show quote)


:thumbup: Thanks. Very informative as always.

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Jan 28, 2013 18:57:32   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?
quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have the lenses p... (show quote)


While you can emulate some of the effects in post, the final result does not compare to what the didydium glass filter will accomplish. Any more than post processing can give you the same effect that a circular polarizer can give you on reflections, or a true ND effect on moving water. Post processing is very nice, but its still limited to AFTER the shot adjustments. Filters will be around as long as lenses are in use. These 3 filters, as well as a GOOD UV filter used in its proper context are the 4 filters that PP has yet to effectively emulate.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have... (show quote)


:thumbup: Thanks. Very informative as always.
quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter L... (show quote)


Anytime. I find my intensifier invaluable whenever I am in a Red Rocks type area, or for fall foliage. Its well worth the cost.

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Jan 28, 2013 19:41:38   #
sbesaw Loc: Boston
 
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?
quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have the lenses p... (show quote)


While you can emulate some of the effects in post, the final result does not compare to what the didydium glass filter will accomplish. Any more than post processing can give you the same effect that a circular polarizer can give you on reflections, or a true ND effect on moving water. Post processing is very nice, but its still limited to AFTER the shot adjustments. Filters will be around as long as lenses are in use. These 3 filters, as well as a GOOD UV filter used in its proper context are the 4 filters that PP has yet to effectively emulate.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have... (show quote)


:thumbup: Thanks. Very informative as always.
quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter L... (show quote)


Anytime. I find my intensifier invaluable whenever I am in a Red Rocks type area, or for fall foliage. Its well worth the cost.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote... (show quote)


You think there is any difference, other than $60, between the Hoya and Tiffen??

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Jan 28, 2013 20:12:41   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
I have a filter called a warming filter that I have used on the red rocks and fall colors--do you think that is about the same as what you are using MT? Or I might want to be buying one like yours before my trip....this filter has a slight orange color to it

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Jan 28, 2013 20:13:59   #
twowindsbear
 
Jonboy wrote:
Thanks All, comments all noted, one good thing is the trip is organised by a British Pro photographer who runs this trip every year and knows his way around the area (me that doesn't), now looking very much forward to it, I'll post some pictures once I get back.


What lens(es) does your guide suggest that you bring?

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Jan 28, 2013 20:56:41   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
sbesaw wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
mdorn wrote:
MT Shooter wrote:
Looks like you have the lenses pretty well covered, the 8mm may be a bit much due to distortion, but I have never personally used it.
A CPL is imperative. My second most favorite filter for those red-rock landscapes is the Tiffen Intensifier, it will really bring out the colors in the rock. Helps with the sparse foliage also.


Hey MT - here's a dumb question perhaps... why use a filter if you can accomplish the same thing in post processing? I've never used an Enhancing Filter, so I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. Just curious. Does it save a lot of time in post, or is the quality just better with a filter?
quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have the lenses p... (show quote)


While you can emulate some of the effects in post, the final result does not compare to what the didydium glass filter will accomplish. Any more than post processing can give you the same effect that a circular polarizer can give you on reflections, or a true ND effect on moving water. Post processing is very nice, but its still limited to AFTER the shot adjustments. Filters will be around as long as lenses are in use. These 3 filters, as well as a GOOD UV filter used in its proper context are the 4 filters that PP has yet to effectively emulate.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter Looks like you have... (show quote)


:thumbup: Thanks. Very informative as always.
quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter L... (show quote)


Anytime. I find my intensifier invaluable whenever I am in a Red Rocks type area, or for fall foliage. Its well worth the cost.
quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote... (show quote)


You think there is any difference, other than $60, between the Hoya and Tiffen??
quote=MT Shooter quote=mdorn quote=MT Shooter ... (show quote)


I would think not, but no idea for sure.

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Jan 28, 2013 20:57:52   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
plessner wrote:
I have a filter called a warming filter that I have used on the red rocks and fall colors--do you think that is about the same as what you are using MT? Or I might want to be buying one like yours before my trip....this filter has a slight orange color to it


A warming filter is typically an 80A or 81A and simply serves to add a fixed amount of warming to the overall scene. An effect easily reproduced in PP.

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Jan 28, 2013 22:25:07   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
The 70 to 200 might come in handy to get some shots of mountain goats but the 18 to 200 also has you covered, light is usually pretty good in the southwest, I have the same problem as you I am headed to Death Valley the last week if Feb with a noir 14 mm, 16 to 35, my Sigma 24 to 70 f 2.8 and I don't know if I should bring my 70 to 200 f2.8 or the new Nikon 28 to 300. I am leaning toward the 28 to 300, it's lighter and will make a nice walking around lens in Vegas.

Enjoy your trip the north rim is beautiful. Zion is a great place too

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Jan 28, 2013 22:38:14   #
plessner Loc: North Dakota
 
MT Shooter wrote:
plessner wrote:
I have a filter called a warming filter that I have used on the red rocks and fall colors--do you think that is about the same as what you are using MT? Or I might want to be buying one like yours before my trip....this filter has a slight orange color to it


A warming filter is typically an 80A or 81A and simply serves to add a fixed amount of warming to the overall scene. An effect easily reproduced in PP.


thanks for the help--now I will decide if I need to do some shopping before my trip

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Jan 29, 2013 01:29:10   #
NormPR
 
Jonboy wrote:
Got my first trip to the States booked for early March, doing photo road trip from Las Vegas, Williams & Grand Canyon via route 66, Antelope Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Arches, Zion, Monument Valley. Thinking of taking my Samyang 8mm (Great Lens), Nikon 50mm f1.4, & 18-200 VR. Is it worth taking Sigma 70-200 f2.8?
Tripod, Filters etc a given. Any advice appreciated.


While here in Vegas, you need to check out Red Rock Canyon and the Hoover Dam. I live here and take my Canon and my Tamron 18-270 everywhere. Have a great trip...Norm

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Jan 29, 2013 16:14:07   #
Jonboy Loc: Lost in Essex
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Jonboy wrote:
Thanks All, comments all noted, one good thing is the trip is organised by a British Pro photographer who runs this trip every year and knows his way around the area (me that doesn't), now looking very much forward to it, I'll post some pictures once I get back.


What lens(es) does your guide suggest that you bring?
He has just come back to me, he said the ones I had thought of taking should be fine, he said for the amount of use I would get out of the 70-200 f2.8 I would have to carry it around for the next ten days, fair point!

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