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Nov 26, 2011 13:49:28   #
Finch585 Loc: Northern California
 
dhelix33 wrote:
I am enthusiastic (maybe to the point of being anal) about the quality of images my cameras and I produce. – Because they can hold timeless moments that are many times captured in one shot. I do not know what type of photography is your focus, or who your target audience is, but I will share from my experience...

Purchased a Nikon D40 as my first DSLR years ago, to replace my aged - although trustworthy - Nikon F2 35mm film SLR. Have since progressed through the D5000 and currently own a D3100 and D5100. The D40 camera came with the same 'kit' lens you own. I quickly discovered that lens was not 'fast' enough for my needs. So I used the Nikkor 50mm prime F-mount lens that was on my F2 for a while, until I discovered that the 50mm prime converts to a field of view at 75mm with the 1.5x crop in the smaller APS-c sensor found in a DX format Nikon.

I use a blend of camera glass (Nikkor, Sigma, and Tamron). Have had a measure of success with the use of Nikon DX and FX DSLR imaging systems, because I am a stickler for understanding the technical specifications of the systems, and then being able to capture and create what I want from that technical knowledge in the field.

Something I take the time to do is insure that a lens is compatible with my cameras. There is no doubt that my Nikon D5100 was created to satisfy user concerns previous owners of the D5000 observed. The design, functional and innovative modifications from the D5000 to the D5100 were done quite nicely, I must say.

Nikon and Nikon ‘purists’ say that Nikkor lenses produce the ‘best imaging quality’. I can challenge the ‘best imaging quality’ presented by Nikon and Nikkor ‘purists’ in the images I have produced by less expensive (but equitable quality) Sigma and Tamron lenses.

With the popularity of the small sensor APS-c format found in the D5100 and other recent design Nikon DX format cameras, the standard ‘kit’ lens is often supplied at a very attractive price. As mentioned earlier, I discovered the 18-55mm Nikkor ‘kit’ lens provided with my D40 camera was lacking in features and in image quality. I took a photographer’s prerogative to replace the Nikkor 18-55mm lens with the Sigma 18-50mmf/2.8-4.5 OS - this glass is my workhorse on the DX format cameras I own.

Along with the large aperture of F2.8, the Sigma 18-50mm has an almost 3 to 1 zoom range, this compact lens is great for the manual setting shots I take, as well as quick snap shots on the fly. Also, because the lens has an f/2.8 aperture, this lens is capable of ‘fast’ photography - meaning it can be used hand held effectively in lower light, helping to eliminate blur from photos with Sigma OS (Optical Stabilization – same as VR on a Nikkor). Of course use of a tripod for night captures is my preference.

And finally - the glass in most lenses is good quality, although the final shape of a lens and the mechanisms surrounding it will vary by manufacturer. My former D40 and D5000, as well as my current D3100 and D5100 do not have a auto focus motor, so I purchase lenses with a built in focus motor.

By the way, I recently added a Nikon D700 FX to my camera bag.

Here is a link that shows and describes my Nikon DSLR equipment…

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1691960134184.2093517.1093178780&type=3

Here is a link to some of my recent work...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73877479@N00/sets/72157627582945437/show/

madcapmagishion wrote:
OK! As I stated on another post I am fairly new to photography (just got my first DSLR a couple of weeks ago, a Nikon D3100 and it came with the kit lens
AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR. Wednesday I ordered a new Nikon 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR AF-S DX Nikkor Zoom Lens,
from Amazon and am wondering what should be my next lens purchse? Someone has suggested it should be either a 35 or a 50mm lens I'm leaning towards
the Nikon 50mm f/1.8G AF-S NIKKOR Lens, but would appreciate any suggestions on what you all think. Is there anything more must have, in your opinion?
OK! As I stated on another post I am fairly new t... (show quote)
I am enthusiastic (maybe to the point of being ana... (show quote)


I am curious to know, now that you own a FX body, why would you ever pull out the DX system?

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Nov 26, 2011 14:39:54   #
Finch585 Loc: Northern California
 
Michael O' wrote:
The prior responders pretty much have it. I would only add that you are limited somewhat with your tele because of its maximum aperture. And you mentioned portraiture of coming grandchild. You might want to consider an 85 mm (the perfect lens length for 35 mm portraiture, and get it in the largest lens diameter you can afford in a good lens -- as a 1.8, or at least a 2.0 or 2.8 (you don't have to get a Cannon EFL f 1.0) so that you will have the capability of shooting in low light -- where you are somewhat limited now, whether it be landscape work, or kids around the house shooting with natural light for the softer lighting without going nuts with an array of lights , filters, reflectors and such. Too, the larger lens will be very useful in extending your capability to shoot in the fading light of the sports work I think you mentioned -- and you can't postpone the match or game, you've got to be able to shoot it in whatever light is available, cloudy or later in the day. You can always up the speed or close down the lens, but you can only open it up to its maximum f-stop, whatever that is. For that reason I always buy each lens in the widest aperture possible, except for the variables, and you have one of those that will cover most of the world you want to capture. After an 85 mm you might want to go to a 14 or 20 mm (and you'll really be able to get super depth of field nature shots) in the widest aperture available -- also usable for landscape work. Then your 4th lens might be a big piece of glass in 400 or 500 (maybe f-4) for sports again if you really want to do that much of it. I use two identical bodies, one with a 70 - 200 and a 500 or 600 on the other, mounted on a good monopod with a short top-mounted bar on the top. With that rig I can sit at a corner of the soccer field and shoot at either end, and everywhere in between. And my fellow photogs don't complain about me having two or three monopods or a couple of tripods sprawled around in everyone's way. Like the other folks said, you just have to work your way into expanding your equipment according to how you are led to use it. Never-the-less, you can't go wrong with the widest aperture available in the lens of your choice. Too, I believe it best to have 2 or 3 excellent lenses rather than 4 or 5 mediocre ones. Amazingly lenses improve with age (improving in lessening chromatic or spherical aberration), but you probably won't notice it without some special testing. So just buy the best you can initially afford. You'll likely be happier with fewer but better and lower f-stop lenses than a bunch of limited lenses.
And if you don't want to splurge, perhaps you could secure a job shooting a local team or league for some offsetting bucks. I shot the Chicago Fire with the contract holder one year. Also shot a Mexican 73-team soccer league, and the majority of the players wanted shots of themselves in action. Although its not my sport, you could probably do that with a baseball league too.
You can also set up with the organizers of tournaments too to shoot team play all day long, especially if you have someone to help you process and collect for the photos buyers select. I've shot horse races in Germany, Italian and Arab motorcycle races in Tripoli, Libya, and rodeo bull, bronco, and pony riders on the national circuit and a bunch of people always want action shots of themselves. Go to a local Rod and Gun club and you'll find people who will want shots of themselves on the firing line or in the clubhouse with the trophies in the background. Again, if you have big glass you won't have to fool with a bunch of lighting paraphernalia. Everybody shoots landscapes, and it's interesting, but how many will you be competing against in sports photo work? Few, if you decide you want to do much of it. Catch your local high school or college football and soccer and bizball matches, and maybe do track meets. The only photog you'll see out there will be someone shooting strictly for the local newspaper, or some friend or parent with a point and shoot. Volleyball and basketball are possibilities too, but you probably have the lighting to worry about again with the relatively low light coupled with fast movement. Infinite interesting and challenging possibilities out there. Pick one or two and give it a whirl and pay for some additional "big glass" as you evolve your direction and your equipment. Have fun !
The prior responders pretty much have it. I would... (show quote)


How do you establish your pricing for the ad hoc and pre-arranged shoots?

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Nov 26, 2011 14:39:55   #
llindstrand Loc: Seattle Metro
 
Then, I am really impressed with your talents in composing the picture. I always shoot in RAW and then process. Most images I only do very light adjustments to; however, some of them require some more adjustment to do. Also I think from your previous comments you are challenged getting around. A computer and an imaging program can give you a lot of enjoyment seeing what you can do editing the pictures. Good luck!

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Nov 26, 2011 14:42:19   #
Finch585 Loc: Northern California
 
dhelix33 wrote:
I am enthusiastic (maybe to the point of being anal) about the quality of images my cameras and I produce. – Because they can hold timeless moments that are many times captured in one shot. I do not know what type of photography is your focus, or who your target audience is, but I will share from my experience...

Purchased a Nikon D40 as my first DSLR years ago, to replace my aged - although trustworthy - Nikon F2 35mm film SLR. Have since progressed through the D5000 and currently own a D3100 and D5100. The D40 camera came with the same 'kit' lens you own. I quickly discovered that lens was not 'fast' enough for my needs. So I used the Nikkor 50mm prime F-mount lens that was on my F2 for a while, until I discovered that the 50mm prime converts to a field of view at 75mm with the 1.5x crop in the smaller APS-c sensor found in a DX format Nikon.

I use a blend of camera glass (Nikkor, Sigma, and Tamron). Have had a measure of success with the use of Nikon DX and FX DSLR imaging systems, because I am a stickler for understanding the technical specifications of the systems, and then being able to capture and create what I want from that technical knowledge in the field.

Something I take the time to do is insure that a lens is compatible with my cameras. There is no doubt that my Nikon D5100 was created to satisfy user concerns previous owners of the D5000 observed. The design, functional and innovative modifications from the D5000 to the D5100 were done quite nicely, I must say.

Nikon and Nikon ‘purists’ say that Nikkor lenses produce the ‘best imaging quality’. I can challenge the ‘best imaging quality’ presented by Nikon and Nikkor ‘purists’ in the images I have produced by less expensive (but equitable quality) Sigma and Tamron lenses.

With the popularity of the small sensor APS-c format found in the D5100 and other recent design Nikon DX format cameras, the standard ‘kit’ lens is often supplied at a very attractive price. As mentioned earlier, I discovered the 18-55mm Nikkor ‘kit’ lens provided with my D40 camera was lacking in features and in image quality. I took a photographer’s prerogative to replace the Nikkor 18-55mm lens with the Sigma 18-50mmf/2.8-4.5 OS - this glass is my workhorse on the DX format cameras I own.

Along with the large aperture of F2.8, the Sigma 18-50mm has an almost 3 to 1 zoom range, this compact lens is great for the manual setting shots I take, as well as quick snap shots on the fly. Also, because the lens has an f/2.8 aperture, this lens is capable of ‘fast’ photography - meaning it can be used hand held effectively in lower light, helping to eliminate blur from photos with Sigma OS (Optical Stabilization – same as VR on a Nikkor). Of course use of a tripod for night captures is my preference.

And finally - the glass in most lenses is good quality, although the final shape of a lens and the mechanisms surrounding it will vary by manufacturer. My former D40 and D5000, as well as my current D3100 and D5100 do not have a auto focus motor, so I purchase lenses with a built in focus motor.

By the way, I recently added a Nikon D700 FX to my camera bag.

Here is a link that shows and describes my Nikon DSLR equipment…

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1691960134184.2093517.1093178780&type=3

Here is a link to some of my recent work...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73877479@N00/sets/72157627582945437/show/

madcapmagishion wrote:
OK! As I stated on another post I am fairly new to photography (just got my first DSLR a couple of weeks ago, a Nikon D3100 and it came with the kit lens
AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR. Wednesday I ordered a new Nikon 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR AF-S DX Nikkor Zoom Lens,
from Amazon and am wondering what should be my next lens purchse? Someone has suggested it should be either a 35 or a 50mm lens I'm leaning towards
the Nikon 50mm f/1.8G AF-S NIKKOR Lens, but would appreciate any suggestions on what you all think. Is there anything more must have, in your opinion?
OK! As I stated on another post I am fairly new t... (show quote)
I am enthusiastic (maybe to the point of being ana... (show quote)


Your images in this gallery are truly great and inspiring. thank you.

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Nov 26, 2011 14:45:46   #
Mike Little Loc: Ozark, Missouri
 
If I were going to buy new lenses here is my preference. 35mm, 85mm, 105mm, and either a 200mm, 300mm, or 400mm.

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Nov 26, 2011 16:39:54   #
Dale Fiorillo Loc: Seattle
 
Nothing, but nothing beats a big aperture for portraiture to blow away the background. The biggest you can afford if your serious. The lenses you have now will enable you to learn enough about macro to telephoto techniques to make your own decisions.

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Nov 27, 2011 10:49:45   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
New2blog wrote:
Wouldn't the 35mm cause the "big nose" effect in portraiture?


No, not unless you got right up in their face. Check out Ken Rockwell's review.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/35mm-f18.htm

He has a couple of samples there.

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Nov 28, 2011 02:58:36   #
Michael O' Loc: Midwest right now
 
Unclewiggley wrote:
Michael O, you make some very good points. When my oldest daughter was showing her horse I use to take a lot of pictures, especially when she was showing hunt seat over fences. Before I knew it I had all kinds of parents asking me to photograph their children jumping or with the horse as a portrait. I did quite well at that venue. Course that was back in the film days. In fact as some of the children grew up I ended up photographing their wedding.


Mr Winterhaven, greetings again. Having made photos for interested sportsters and admirers, you know the drill. But I'm sure you will find it easier at tournaments to have an assistant crank out prints on-site from digital, whereas you had to mail prints later that you had to go home and work up in the lab. I used to enjoy working and polishing a print up in the lab from an Omega enlarger -- sometimes cranked all the way up and printing a 20" X 24" out of the 6 ft square Rollie negative image on the floor -- or the same enlarger to floor distance for a 20" X 24" from my Linhof 4 X 5, whereas it is more complex now with digital but has so many more possibilities with the software. Lord knows what the medium methodology will be 10 years from now, eh ? I'm needing to transfer my 10,000 color and 10,000 B&W negs from N Africa and Europe and Asia to digital format while the transfer process still exists. Ten years from now we'll be again evolved so much that today's digital will likely need to be transformed to the new whatever or be lost 2 steps back. Have fun ! Michael O'

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Nov 28, 2011 04:31:15   #
Michael O' Loc: Midwest right now
 
A general comment regarding the uses and advantages of the various lens lengths: If you are using a "high end" digital versus the same in the older film cameras, I'm sure you'll remember that you will have to take into consideration as you calculate lens limitations and thus strategies, The Cannon EOS-1Ds Mark 111 or 5D Mark 11, both shoot a full (same as the old 35mm film, or shown as 1.0x) FRAME, while the majority of the models below it shoot with a "crop factor" of 1.6x or APS-C. Nikon has the same approach. The lens length considered "perfect" for a 35mm camera shooting on 35mm film in portraiture is 85mm. Thus a high end digital Nikon 35 mm will have a capture surface exactly the same -- as the old 35 mm lens camera. The APS-C will have a reduced capture area (1/1.6 or something very similar in ratio) in physically retained image area. Thus the best portrait lens length for the APS-C would be somewhere in the vicinity of 50 to 54 mm (85mm/1.6 = 54). thus to discern the best focal length lens for a given purpose to get the same relative perspective as the old 35mm film cameras, one must first discover the size of the digital capture area of your digital "35 mm" cameras. Just because the camera is called 35 mm doesn't mean it has the same capture area as our old film tin lizzie. 50 mm to 54 mm lens length for portraits with a "3/4" or APS-C "35 mm" camera, but an 85mm portrait lens length for a "full frame (full 35mm capture area -- just as the old film camera) which will likely be a high end Cannon, Nikon, or similar rig. In the APS-C rigs, the relative digital capture area width is 35mm/1.6=21.875. The old Rollie with their Tessar or even the Schneider 75mm lens shooting on the 2 1/4 X 2 1/4 inch square roll film was perfect and used by many of the top portrait photographers not just because of their magnificent lenses, but because it had that perfect ratio of lens length to film size to give the optimum ratio needed for portrait work.

If you want to get an exact definition of the "about 3/4 size of the digital capture area of your camera so that you can see what the ration demanded by your camera IS in order to be the same ratio of lens length to digital capture area, you must look up the spec or ask your local photo shop what the spec is; or call the pros at B&H. But it likely will be in the neighborhood of 50 to 54 mm, not 35mm, for a 35mm APS-C camera. 85 mm for a "full-frame" "35mm (digital capture area) 35mm camera. Why don't they make ALL 35 mm cameras "full-frame capture ? Don't know for sure, but you would have to assume the APS approach costs less to manufacture because the digital screen capture are is only about 62.5% the size of the full capture. The same reason Ford makes 550 BHP powered Mustangs (which you can rather easily crank up to 800 BHP) and also Escorts with 120 BHP engines -- with a tremendous price difference, and many models in between. But any camera will take decent photos so long as you apply it within its capabilities. Do so, and use what you prefer, but understand the specs of what you use, and consequently the probable limitations and results. As we know, a tele brings a smaller area in, and the wide angle shoots wide, neither looking like what our eye sees, but just know that all calculations and expectations begin with the film or digital capture size. You'll have more fun and less disappointment if you calculate and thus know generally what to expect for perspectives and performance limitations. Like Mast Dillon used to say, "Think before you pull the trigger." Suppose he first picked that up when he was playing pro football ? ............... Michael O'

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